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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 15:36:44 GMT
Hi everyone, first time posting here. I wanted to ask, because I frankly have no idea, what is the proper way to wear a scabbard? In particular, this one: . I understand how to use a sword properly (I've been taking lessons for a little over a year now), and have read up on a lot of reviews, but I still don't understand the basics of a sword belt. As in, what kind I should get, and how to properly attach that scabbard to it. Can anyone help? Thanks to anyone who can!
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Post by chrisperoni on Jun 23, 2012 15:52:47 GMT
you'd need a belt which has two straps running down to the rings on that scabbard, each strap with a clasp of some kind or buckle so you can thread the straps through the rings and then into the buckle. I'll cut to a spot in this vid where I'm showing the same basic set up. Watch the beginning to see closeups of the belt, straps, scabbard and so on. A suggestion if you plan on having several swords with no suspension systems (just scabbards)- get an adjustable belt Custom Leather Sword Belt with Adjustable Suspension and Removable Buckle By Slayer Medieval Leatherworks
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 16:19:02 GMT
Thanks for the video! It doesn't look like I'll be getting another sword for a while, and when I get my next one, I'll likely be looking for one that's has a suspension system, so I don't think I need an adjustable belt. Do you know of any other ones that would be a bit cheaper? Of course, if that's the best option for its money, or there aren't any good ones out there, I could suck up the 100-150 dollars or so, but I'd still prefer a bit cheaper. Or maybe a scabbard that would fit this sword: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2368&name=Hanwei+Mercenary+Sword that included a suspension system and cost less? Sorry if I sound completely helpless, I'm quite new to all this. Thanks!
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Post by Voltan on Jun 23, 2012 16:27:12 GMT
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Post by LeMal on Jun 23, 2012 16:31:42 GMT
Keep in mind the option of a baldric. Was rarely the most fashionable form of carrying the sword--but never went out of use over the course of, well, a few millennia! (Got one I love nearly a decade ago that's the most effective and comfortable thing in the world and haven't agonized over sword belts since.)
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Post by MOK on Jun 23, 2012 16:57:52 GMT
Check this out for one nice example. Another alternative is to have three straps. This can be done two ways. In either case, you have two straps going from a ring at the side of the belt to each ring on the scabbard, and then an additional third strap, either on the front ring (closest to the hilt) connected with a buckle to the end of the swordbelt, or on the back ring connected to a ring at the back of the belt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 17:45:45 GMT
Thanks ya'll! All those helped a lot! I started looking online, and I was able to find some affordable ones. Are there any bad stories of either the "Sword Belt of the Circle" from here: www.theinnerbailey.com/swordbelts.htmOr the "Basic Sword Frog" from here: www.theinnerbailey.com/baileybasics.htmThose look like they'd work with the Hanwei Mercenary (Which looks to be the sword I'm going to get). Any one know anything about those or the company they come from?
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Post by Voltan on Jun 23, 2012 18:03:38 GMT
I've browsed their site before, and their products look good to me, but I've no experience with them beyond that.
Type-o edit, d'oh!
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 23, 2012 19:08:08 GMT
The inner bailey makes good stuff. Sarge has a review of one of their baldrics around here somewhere. My favorite source for leather stuff is Ravenswood--their baldrics are magnificent. Hanwei also makes a decent adjustable Sword Belt, but it's a tad overpriced.
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Post by MOK on Jun 23, 2012 19:49:34 GMT
The thing about those is, they both have a single point of suspension despite the two points on the scabbard. All historical belts of this type that I've seen have two suspension points on the belt, for the very simple reason that it keeps the sword from flopping around and banging into you and the surroundings when you move, which is kind of essential just for being able to walk around.
This really is a far bigger deal than you'd think at first - sure, lots of renfairers and cosplayers make do with these inferior modern misdesigns, but only because they know no better - once you've worn a proper sword belt, the difference in comfort and convenience is so overwhelmingly obvious, you have to seriously wonder why people keep making these uncontrollable floppy things when a very simple, minor change would make them so much better (not to mention historically accurate).
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Post by ChrisA on Jun 23, 2012 19:50:16 GMT
Inner Bailey gets my nod. Top quality products, quick service and the nicest people on the planet to deal with. Yes, the WHOLE planet.
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Post by jhart06 on Jun 23, 2012 20:11:15 GMT
They are also stunningly helpful about questions on their products.. Even when they know you're trying to make on similar and not buy from them.
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Post by Dark smith on Jun 23, 2012 20:21:37 GMT
I like the style of the Hanwie broad sword belt on the prev. page this style is really quite simple to make, and they look and wear great and you can make one really cheap. I get my leather from Tandy, I replaced the belt that came with the scabbard of my DSA two-hander and it turned out really nice. its easy to make a belt if you know some leather work. so I would say just make one.
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Post by jhart06 on Jun 23, 2012 20:25:16 GMT
I'm one of the biggest proponents of DIY on this site, but I want to say this- It is easy to make a plain belt. It is easy to make a simple belt. It is not easy to make a great one or fancy. And quality can be spotty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 0:06:20 GMT
Thank you all so much! This has been extremely informative!
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Post by MOK on Jun 24, 2012 7:51:47 GMT
BTW, here's another myArmoury.com thread that you might find useful, featuring a ton of period illustrations: www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=18285. Particularly the first image in this post, which shows a scabbard with two rings just like your's and the simplest practical way of suspension for such, with two straps and two rings on the belt. Note that both straps have buckles on them, so you can adjust the height and angle the sword is suspended at to suit your physique and preferences. Also note the universal narrowness of the sword belts and straps! There's no particular pragmatic reason for the modern tendency to make them very broad, and actually several reasons to avoid it unless you're doing a plaque belt or something equally decorative (and, more importantly, stiff).
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