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Post by John P on Apr 27, 2012 0:42:36 GMT
My Club has been working through the available historical Polish saber material. We are having trouble finding a source for sparring swords with deeply curved blades. Any one have leads?    We have soft training weapon that are a good starting point but nothing but steel fights like real steel. |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Apr 27, 2012 1:31:22 GMT
www.woodenswords.com/WMA/Synthetic_cutlass.htmSorry, not what you asked for, but I just ordered a pair of their nylon sabers with waxed leather half baskets. They suggested they could add a steel pommel to the saber to increase overall weight and bias handling more to the hand. Sounds like a step up from LARP swords...
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Post by John P on Apr 27, 2012 1:41:43 GMT
those have already been ordered
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 28, 2012 3:02:26 GMT
I remember a while back a member posted some pictures, or a video slideshow, or something of a bunch of Polish sabers that I was quite fascinated by. Somehow they managed to escape me, though, and I had forgotten about them. Bored, I figured I'd look around teh intarwebz and see what I could see. It is incredibly hard to find anything sword-related from Poland using English terms, for obvious reasons. I mean, come on, "Polish sword" can only yield so much about how to make your sword shiny. :roll: That particular image, I see, is borrowed from Aceros de Hispania, a site I've dealt with previously. It looks like a fair piece for the price, and I feel like I can place the manufacturer, but can't seem to find it listed at any of the candidates I had in mind. I also see there is a second model, with less curve, listed at AdH for a few more Euros. Both strike me as good platforms for new grips, but I feel like the swords are from a company known for heavy, overbuilt, poorly-balanced bashers more than decent swords...I could be wrong, like I said, I can't find them anywhere. :oops: Anyway, did some looking around, and it seems the same repro companies as ever have their offerings; our friends at the various forges based in India, that is; for instance, some of these offerings are quite close: www.weaponedge.com/Swords.html (hard to link individuals due to site format) On further thinking, I remembered the History Relics site and visited in search of more details on these products. Seems they're actually French, Russian, and/or German designs, but they sure do look similar. Like these two: historyrelics.com/proddetail.php ... egory_Id=4 historyrelics.com/proddetail.php ... egory_Id=4 I did some more digging and found one place, a small custom-type operation, that markets their swords as costume pieces, "not for combat reenactment" and no prices listed, but found here: www.polishhussarsupply.com/Sabers.htmlApparently the above are "only hammer hardened on the anvil" but I don't know what this really means for overall construction or the effects of forms practice; probably not good for sparring, though. Then I found this place (which is not in English, but translates fairly smoothly): www.szablapolska.com/I'm quite taken by a number of their offerings, though their pricepoint is what I would consider mid-high; averaging around the $750 mark and up. However, they are beautiful pieces, if I dare say so myself, and this one in particular makes my knees a bit wobbly: www.szablapolska.com/index.php/s ... ska-hajduk  I'm not sure how these might rate in sparring applications, either; they may well be sharp swords, and I'd feel pretty bad blunting them... I wish I knew what language barrier might be present in dealing with them, or I'd write and ask if they do practice blunts with budget fittings... Anyway, some possible leads from about a half-hour's Googling from a guy who knows nothing about these things. :x |
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Post by John P on Apr 28, 2012 21:11:53 GMT
Cool, thanks for the links. you gave me a lot to look in to
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 29, 2012 17:48:45 GMT
Glad to be of aid. I keep coming back to that Polish site, some of their stuff is just plain nice. I'm quite fond of this piece: www.szablapolska.com/index.php/karabela-typ-3 which is quite reachable in price at around $620 USD. I think I found a blunt, but it's a different style: www.szablapolska.com/index.php/s ... niowieczna Bit steep, too, at $780. :x I'm still thinking, for true Polish swords, this site looks like a great place to start; if not the best place around. (Granted, I can't find many places to start with. :roll: ) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2012 0:25:20 GMT
@ Random: thanks for sharing that szabla website, the models are very interesting to look at. It's just too bad they don't mark their weight. @ John P: As far as I can help, sparring polish sabers are mainly found in Eastern European swordmiths. In the North American and Western European market, there is almost nothing (except for Polish Hussar supply) that offers anything like that. You'll have to look for these eastern european sword maker and here are some: -Viktor Berbekucz of Hungary ( www.berbekuczviktor.hu/). He is well know and his products have a very good reputation. It seems that communication with him is OK (he doesn't know english but his wife does and handles that part of business). -Ludek Kalny of the Czech Republic ( www.ludekkalny.ic.cz/savleAtesaky.html). Word is he now sells only to a wealthy armourer in Italy so do not be surprised if he doesn't answer back. -Historical Market ( miecze.pl/) is another polish based sword seller and offers a wide selection of hussaria swords either for decoration or combat. Not super expensive but their sabres seem to be heavy for the job. -Poland by Mail ( www.polandbymail.com/d/135/armor-swords-weapons.html) also sells some hussars sabre but it's hard to know if these are only for decoration or good for combat. Thing is I saw some of these models on eBay for 150$. -Jindrich Figura, also from Czech Republic, that specializes on eastern sabres ( www.lightswords.cz/). The only one I had the chance to deal with and bought two of his works. Both are extremely well done and have the dynamics of a true 1796. I am working on a review of both (at slug's pace... ) |
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 30, 2012 0:33:15 GMT
Those sound like some good links, I had a feeling somebody who knew what they were sound would chime in soon. I'll have to check them out, myself, when I have more time.
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Post by John P on May 1, 2012 16:28:15 GMT
Our club leader is in talks with several Eastern european sword makers.
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Post by John P on May 3, 2012 15:56:43 GMT
here is an image one of the makers sent. It looks good with the deep curve and rounded tip  |
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Post by randomnobody on May 3, 2012 16:17:27 GMT
That does look good, how much info (who, where, maybe even how much?) can you share?
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Post by Anders on May 4, 2012 15:20:53 GMT
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Post by randomnobody on May 4, 2012 23:48:42 GMT
I'm quite taken with most of that site's product. Perhaps one day I might probe some communications...
Curious to see what John and his club come up with, too.
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Post by John P on May 6, 2012 14:39:15 GMT
I don't know the maker but they will cost in the $400's each and have a slightly more protective guard than most historical swords. When they come in I'll do a write up with pictures.
Those are some beautiful swords Andres
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Post by randomnobody on May 6, 2012 15:35:14 GMT
That seems pretty reasonable. Are these sparring blunts, then?
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Post by John P on May 6, 2012 18:40:27 GMT
sparring blunts with user replaceable blades.
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Post by randomnobody on May 6, 2012 19:54:50 GMT
Spiffy; I don't guess there's been any investing on a sharp blade, though? Might be fun to round off every class with a round of cutting. |
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Post by John P on May 7, 2012 5:32:07 GMT
for the last few years I have been spending all my fun cash on picking up sparring swords and haven't gotten around to picking up any sharps. But that is on my to do list.
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Post by John P on Jul 9, 2012 20:11:08 GMT
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Post by John P on Jul 10, 2012 0:56:47 GMT
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