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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Apr 23, 2012 13:16:05 GMT
id love to see such a contest between men and steel, in the past ive seen such contests make friends of enemies in the end. And we certainly have an idea if the new ryan steel is any better than the old
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Post by malchya on Apr 23, 2012 14:54:01 GMT
I beg your pardon? Could I trouble you to reread the OP? I claim to have been collecting European weapons for some time, but to have very limited experience with Oriental weapons, hence my request for information. I am asking specifically if anyone has hands on experience with a specific product to aid in my choice of purchase.
If you see this as somehow "questioning" your authority and in need of a "challenge" response, I think I'll just bid you a very good day and go have a cup of tea.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 17:45:16 GMT
brand new here, so hello... I have owned many swords in my 39 years on earth from stainless katana bought in cutlery shops in the malls to a couple antique swords and all in between, I am no expert , but always a student... I have been wandering around the forum here and I keep seeing questions about ryanswords and when I see the actual sword that people are upset about it seems to be a sword for around 90 dollars... are people really shocked when they buy a sword for less than a hundred dollars and get something less than amazing? Admittedly I am wary of the quality control on some of these swords but I wouldn't really be shocked if I paid 100 bucks for one and it was no better than a sharp wall hanger. I will continue to lurk and read and learn from all your experience, but I had to ask this question. I am not defending them since I have never actually laid hands on one but it would seem that people don't understand the basic , you get what you pay for rule.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 7, 2012 18:36:44 GMT
thats really not the problem, the problem is in the false advertising and hype the sellers build up to make these 90$ barely functional swords sound like awesome engine block cutting highlander power stealing blades forged in hell fire and quenched in Budha tears. new buyers see these hyped up sale tactics and think they are getting something amazing, and thats when they try to do things arent necessarily safe with these swords that are barely built to stay in one piece when swung
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Post by 14thforsaken on May 7, 2012 18:54:27 GMT
Most of the experienced members here know that you get what you pay for. The issue some of us are having in this thread and many others of late, is when someone asks for our opinions on a said item and then turns right around and accuses us of being biased or not knowing what we are talking about. It is a very annoying trend that some of us are seeing on the boards. You try to help a beginner and share your knowledge with them only to be attacked if you don't tell them exactly what they want to hear. If you pay attention, you'll see that fewer and fewer of the old hands are coming into this section anymore. I wonder why?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 19:01:54 GMT
First post by me on this thread: I've read some of the post following the initial one and there's some discussion as the whether the Ryan may or may not be a "sharp wall-hanger." The thread author wanted a better grade of steel in the T-10 (tough tool steel) but not so much in the 1060 (11+% chrome stainless steel). Was cutting an actual priority? Take a look at these YouTube clips: Ryan sword cutting steel container full of water: Ryan sword cutting wire that's laying on a heavy sheet of steel: Admittedly dramatic in the background music with a Musashi: ... re=relatedI have this quality of hardware, just not sharpened, as sold at the store. I'm sharpening my own blade now. But, watch: ... re=relatedStainless steel can work against soft targets, which is why I bought the tanto/wakizashi set. A man's arm or hand wouldn't do well against these unless he had a gun. --Lee
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Post by Insane on May 7, 2012 19:05:41 GMT
And let's not forget that Mr. Ryan swords himself came on this forum to defend himself.
But instead of backing up his claims he said stuff like "get what you pay for, don't expect nihonto for $150,- but his video and advertisments showed "can cut iron" Razor sharp blablabla but the swords took a set on simple bottles. So his coming here really backfired on him.
For me personally that made me sceptic to everything he does. Even if he makes hanwei grade blades now i wouldn't buy from him because there are so many other you can buy from.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on May 7, 2012 19:07:37 GMT
Stainless Steel will cut fine against soft targets... and is commonly used in knife blades. The problem with it in swords blades is, once the blade starts getting to long... stainless is too brittle to be tempered in such a way are to have flex. IE you bend a longer stainless steel blade and it stays bent or breaks... but does not flex back to true shape. This is why its not a great steel for swords.
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Post by 14thforsaken on May 7, 2012 19:46:24 GMT
To further elaborate on what Sean said and steal a post of mine from a long dead thread about SS vs Carbon steel:
Basically, once you get over 13-14" in length with most common stainless steels, they tend to be more brittle. Against a soft target, that might not matter very much, but against a hard one, well I certainly wouldn't want to try it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 20:03:44 GMT
this was so funny I had to work to not laugh water out of my nose as I was reading it!!! I hear you for sure. I guess I am just old and crusty enough never to take what is said/written or even shown on youtube as the gospel! thanks again!
thats really not the problem, the problem is in the false advertising and hype the sellers build up to make these 90$ barely functional swords sound like awesome engine block cutting highlander power stealing blades forged in hell fire and quenched in Budha tears. new buyers see these hyped up sale tactics and think they are getting something amazing, and thats when they try to do things arent necessarily safe with these swords that are barely built to stay in one piece when swung[/quote]
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Post by DMikeM on May 7, 2012 20:53:37 GMT
When did this happen? I would really like to read that thread.
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Post by chrisperoni on May 7, 2012 21:15:34 GMT
Stainless steel is not for swords- anything longer than a tanto is just not safe. Citing the Ryansword videos gives no real frame of reference as they sell such a variety of blades and even in their own ebay ads they say the sword pictured in the video is not the one for sale- it's just for example. We really don't know what sword is used in any of their videos...
One of the problems with Ryanswords is the way they cut-and-paste sword info over and over into all their ads. They have about 5 generic ads wheich get recycled for all their stuff- there is no accountability for the specific product being sold. They've proven time and again that they do not deliver on their hype... maybe more recently they've gotten better... I don't know for sure. I do know that I wouldn't ever bother finding out and I can't understand why people feel so compelled to want to give them a try.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 21:54:06 GMT
14thforsaken, I was going to say the same thing concerning the first statement to that effect after my own post. It's okay that you beat me to it. The truth "is what it is." I was still going to add that I intend to---if necessary,in this drug-polluted town---defend myself to the death against whomever wants to learn what very sharp to razor sharp steel feels like. Only something like a gun would make me think again about antagonizing a maniacal thug. Even then a gun give me just about no choice but to act. I have little to lose. My samurai weapons will certainly be used as they were designed. --Lee
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Post by ineffableone on May 7, 2012 22:51:38 GMT
Did people miss clicking this link to Kaiyo's review of the Ryan sword he got? This shows exactly why Ryan got the reputation it did. They sent him a sword without a full tang! From his review sbgswordforum.proboards.com/inde ... 300&page=1 Also in that old Proboards thread is a link to SFI thread www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?99456-Ryan-SwordWhere this same issue of incomplete tangs in tsuka was mentioned. Ryan sword was described as "Ryansword has one of the worst reputations of online sellers"It is not just the opinion here at SBG of the quality of Ryan, but sword enthusiasts all over that Ryan has low quality standards. People still get suckered into buying from Ryan then end up like Kaiyo getting a sword that is not functional. You asked for someone with experience actually handling these swords, and you got someone posting a link to his impressions. He got ripped off but he learned a valuable lesson. If seeing Kaiyo's mini nakago hidden in a tsuka doesn't mean much then by all means go buy one and let us know your impressions. However since this is in the beginner section of SBG's forum, I feel the need to say Ryanswords reputation is based on facts not just hearsay. They have shown themselves untrustworthy through out the sword community and as the thread on SFI (Sword Froum International) mentions Ryan has one of the worst reputations of all the online vendors. Think about that a moment, of all the vendors online, and Ryan has one of the worst reputations in the sword community. That says a lot, since there are plenty of crappy vendors out there, yet Ryan gets ranked up there as one of the worst reputations. So people that end up here, at SBG or SFI doing their research before buying learn Ryan swords has a long standing bad reputation of extremely poor quality, selling swords that are not functional as if they were for prices of a functional sword. This is what SBG forum is about, helping the new sword enthusiasts by providing knowledge helping them escape the mistakes some of us made.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 7, 2012 22:58:29 GMT
i bought that same sword kaiyo had, same issue, 16 inch tsuka, 8 inch tang
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Post by ineffableone on May 7, 2012 23:05:00 GMT
So basically the issue Kaiyo had was not an exception but what seems standard feature of that sword, an insufficient nakago hidden in a large tsuka.
No wonder Ryanswords has a bad reputation.
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Post by 14thforsaken on May 8, 2012 0:03:01 GMT
This is a little off-topic so skip if you want
The danger is that unless you know how to use a knife correctly you can get into a lot of trouble. Even if you do, if the other person has been taught how to deal with a knife, you will hit them but then they will be inside of you. At that point you have a VERY pissed off person inside your reach, not good. The way I was taught against a knife is you take the blow on the outside of your lower arm as there are no major vessels, nerves, ligaments or such there. You do this as you are closing in. That puts you inside their reach with a relatively superficial wound. Once there, you do whatever it takes, bite, punch, gouge, claw whatever. The key is CLOSING IN. Most people expect you to back away; charging in generally causes a person to freeze up for a second as they have to re-adjust to the situation.
Also, if someone comes at me with a knife, I presume they are trying to kill me, which means I will use all available force to stop them, including lethal. Basically I won't stop until one of the other of us isn't moving.
Finally, if possible its always better to deescalate a situation. You never know if the person is a psychopath, hopped up on PCP or one of those rare individuals that pain just makes them go berserk.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 0:33:42 GMT
No, you make a valid point throughout your post, so that I'll try and stay on topic about it. I've said I live in an apartment with hallways on this or another thread. (4 ft. wide halls; 3 of them.) two flights of stairs up to the 3rd floor. Okay. For weapon performance, a man will get poked by my longer, heavier tanto (11 1/2" blade) or my wakizashi in a larger space like a room in my apartment or outside. If and when law breaks down, whoever survives probably won't have access to drugs as in the past. I hope to be better fed than him, since I'm already better off than the average bum now. (I've had a certain amount or urban survival training. Take my word for it.) Stainless steel should be good enough for an arm or abdomen. Now, as to technique: I've talked to certain Special Forces veterans and have already been shown some things (like ripping a man's larynx and trachea out with a well placed lunge and throat grab.) I'm going to learn more, but I'm not going into any more descriptions, since this opinion is something I'm allowed to say. But, that's all. --Lee
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2012 0:48:24 GMT
chrisperoni, To generally reply, I know I only paid $13.00 for my short tanto, $14.60 for the long tanto, and $22.60 for the wakizashi. They were the cheapest "Last Samurai" replicas I could afford. I know that. These won't be used unless for self protection at home because these deliberately sharpened edged weapons are illegal in Calif. to carry in public inside a container or bag. I'm not breaking the law. When I get through with these, they'll be at least as sharp as my kitchen carving knife, which can make a good weapon by itself. Not for anyone to worry. My dojo also teaches Tanjitsu. That's "in the cards" as well.
I merely couldn't afford a tool or spring steel sword. A man is a lot softer inside than a pine hardwood 2X4. Oh, my Mom and I have an Irish temper, too. If I have something to take my anger out on, my adversary will have a problem with my 75" total reach. I'm 6'1" and 215. --Lee
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Post by Insane on May 8, 2012 5:35:42 GMT
I'm guessing on the old board.
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