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Post by somewhat on Jan 19, 2012 5:00:08 GMT
+1 for an excellent informative post DaveKelly. Now I'm debating my next purchase... do you have any info about the 1831 Highland Officer baskethilt? I have a real tossup on what I want next. I don't have the luxury of turning my room into one as awesome as yours.
For fighting on foot, would the 1897 British, 1831 Highland, or CS 1904 be good? On horse? What about against armour. I know the narrow 1897 Brit blade is for thrusting, know nothing about the Highland, and the 1904 looks balanced.
Let me know, O Lord of Sabres!
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Post by sam salvati on Jan 19, 2012 5:13:06 GMT
An awesome, truly excellent post. Thank you very much.
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Post by TheNewDavout on Jan 19, 2012 7:47:26 GMT
Very informative, thank you  Quick question, have you had any experience with the CS repro of the 1852 Prussian? |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 19, 2012 22:16:24 GMT
Was looking at this when it was announced, but passed it up because I don't have the space for it.
I have the original, big line version of the '52. In time an officer and rear echelon version of the sword was developed that was 8 ozs lighter and blade thinned. The Cold Steel is this 1876 version. Looks nice and should handle decently. But it's a lght service, fencing saber.
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Post by TheNewDavout on Jan 20, 2012 2:01:30 GMT
The one detail on it that interested me was the addition on the cold steel version of a leather martingale, do you know if this was common on any of the originals?
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Jan 20, 2012 2:48:15 GMT
One of the most excellent posts I have ever read.
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Post by frankthebunny on Jan 20, 2012 3:00:35 GMT
Outstanding job! thank you
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Post by Pogo4321 on Jan 20, 2012 5:01:22 GMT
I agree with the rest--one of the best posts ever.
Thank you for taking the time to write and post it.
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Post by Anders on Feb 3, 2012 17:40:48 GMT
What can I say? We're big strong men who need big strong swords. But jokes aside, I've handled something similar to that saber, and I recall it being almost absurdly light and manouverable. It's too bad I really don't like pipebacks. |
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Post by William Swiger on Feb 5, 2012 13:12:48 GMT
Very good post. Thanks for putting it on the forum.
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 16, 2012 14:23:36 GMT
Dave, thank you so much for taking the considerable time required to compose this most informative and enlightening post. Stuff like this is the real "mean&potatoes" of the site. Again, thanks.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Mar 19, 2012 21:51:16 GMT
I am sorry I missed this the first time around. (I always take note when a older thread generates new interest). I love the 19th century illustrations showing guards/technique.
I for one would love to see sources for the drawings and paintings given for such posts. What printed works were used (since these could be something an interested party might want to procure)? I think I recognized some images from Alfred Hutton's "Cold Steel", but I could be mistaken.
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Post by Federico on Apr 28, 2012 4:03:37 GMT
Hi Dave, That's a great article! Just a small correction though. The Argentine saber is a 1898 Cavalry and Grenadiers saber. You can check some out for sale here, although it's probably not worth it because of the shipping. listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/Sable-De-Caballeria-Granaderos1898-. I'd love to own one. I had the chance to handle one this weekend, and it is indeed quite an enjoyable weapon. Apparently it's still used for some official parade purposes. |
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Post by Federico on May 19, 2012 19:05:35 GMT
Well, I figured I'd come here and blame you for what you've done. I took the bite on one of those Argentine Cavalry and Grenadier sabres 1898. Yupp, because of you, I went ahead and handled a whole bunch of antique pipebacks in the past few months. Since I'm from Argentina, I often have people going back and forth, so I will use one as a mule and skip the shipping fees  |
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Post by John P on May 25, 2012 3:10:51 GMT
I always enjoy posts about your collection. Where did you get the stand that is holding the saber?
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Post by John P on May 25, 2012 22:43:04 GMT
I was looking at the single point pinnacle display. I think that I could make one. If you have the time I would love to see a shot of the thin side if the stand.
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Post by paulrward on May 26, 2012 16:31:32 GMT
Hello All ;
At the risk of being accused of hijacking this thread, at this moment, on E Bay, there is a very attractive Spanish M1907 in very good condition , with a ' Buy It Now ' of US $ 225.00 . All of the metal parts have been Nickel Plated , and the Wood scales are very clean, appear to be Walnut, and have a very sharp checkering. From the appearance, it seems that this might have been an officer's saber, but I cannot confirm this.
To find it, in the E bay Search Line you could type in the description,
" Antique Vtg Spanish Commander's Cavalry Sword -Saber Knife Artilleria Toledo Old "
For the price, this would be a very nice, and very attractive modern pipeback saber that could be used in combat or worn in social situations without embarrasment .
Respectfully ;
Paul R. Ward
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Post by jcbarnett on Jul 22, 2012 7:00:59 GMT
Great post on pipebacks! Thanks. I have a rare Swiss Model 1899 Pipeback Cavalry Sabre. Most of the Swiss Cavalry M1899's did not have a pipeback but the earliest models did - but were discontinued fairly early in the production history. |
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Post by StevenJ on Sept 18, 2013 4:29:32 GMT
Dave, I had recently started practicing Rapier fencing and I am looking at getting into sabre fencing. I am glad I stopped by here. I was planning on eventually getting a Darkwood Hutton Sabre, but I also wanted a sharp and I was set on the 1904 Austrian Sabre from Cold Steel. I'm glad you like it as I was a bit worried about its rather forward pob on Kult of Athena. My intention was to use it for bottle cutting and self defense when the 'bullets' run dry . I have watched videos on heavy and more traditional, IE not Olympic sport garbage, sabre fencing. It seems very similar in many ways with the foot work and the attack lines to Italian Rapier. Would the 1904 Austrian Sabre be a good on the ground sword for general cutting and possibly self defense? Thanks again. |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Sept 18, 2013 23:42:01 GMT
Hi Steve: Keep in mind that I learned my sabre in 17 years of "Olympic sport garbage"  The sport aspect has completely overshadowed the roots of swordsmanship in the past two generations, but the fundamental craft is the same. Go to youtube and watch the tapes. We needn't divert to that old arguement. In buying a training sword, one should consult your club or school prior to commiting funds. There is some classy stuff out in the weeds of recent time. Regarding the CS 1904 I think my view was more along the lines that the CS is historically acurate. But I'm disenchanted with Austrian sabres. They may look elegant, but the post Napoleonic stuff is very percussive and sluggish. They're heavy cavalry swords were production flops ( still collectors pay big bucks for an 1850 Dragoon :roll: Light cutter you might be better off with the Prussian M52/79. The Windlass new M1860/1906 is very well done. The 1860 wasn't the best of swords. It was an iffy reengineering of the notorious "ole wristbreaker" M1840. Sword handles fairly well but the balance from blade to hilt isn't optimum. Takes practice to get edge alignment right. Cab be mastered. Very good replica. Often recommend that if you're starting sabre the Windlass/CS Shamshir is a very good starting point. This is a very nice realization of the traditional weight and balance of the sabre; a light weight, fast, cutting blade. Highly maneuverable. Effective cutter. Whatever you choose I wish you enjoyment in your journey. |
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Quick question, have you had any experience with the CS repro of the 1852 Prussian?
The sport aspect has completely overshadowed the roots of swordsmanship in the past two generations, but the fundamental craft is the same. Go to youtube and watch the tapes. We needn't divert to that old arguement.
