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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 3:18:53 GMT
Ii apologize for picture quality i cannot find my camera i do not know what my wife dd with it....... so i have my phone just for now i will get better..... the tadayoshi is on top and has lighter colored saya, the takehisa is the darker saya and has a wider blade profile it is much heavier also the hamon is deeper on the blade and straight however i cannot get the tsuka off it is not put on all the way and is stuck any suggestions? But check this out for now im adding more still
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 3:27:58 GMT
More pix and still cant get the tsuka off the takehisa........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 3:52:45 GMT
These are tadayoshi pictures once again sorry using my phone.... anyway this is suppose to be a early 1800 roughly 8th gen tadayoshi blade cannot verify signature yet but the rust on tang is very old this is not a recent blade the polish is old but still vibrant, i cannot see any hada however and the hhamonis very shallow and faint but there it starts very shallow by habaki practiclly right on the edge but gradually gets deeper this blade is much lighter then the takehisa it rapidly narrows i would say light cutter there are small chips on edge too maybe from bone? Haha anyway i will post more when i can get the tsuka off the takehisa that blade seems very nice wide and i bet cn cut a lot! Lemme know what you think so far this is very exciting for me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 4:32:49 GMT
well I am officially stuck i absolutely cannot get the tsuka off the takehisa..... i cannot get ahold of the guy to ask him yet i am gonna try tomorrow but i might have to wait til the weekend but i know he has had it off.... there is only 1 mekugi right above the cherry blossom menuki i do not see anymore unless you have to peal the wrap off to get to it but i do not see it and i highly doubt you need to peal wrap off.... the only other thing going through the tsuka is the kashiri has the hole for the loop for the knot there is a sort of tub through it that appears to be 2 pieces screwed together to form a nice finished tub for the loop but i didnt think that would hold it on im assuming it is just froze on there and i am not taking a flat head screw driver to it lol soooooo im stuck and am a little deppressed that i cannot see the tang right now.... the tag says it "takehisa showa year 1943 autumn" but also has 3 W's i think?
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Post by masahiro560 on Dec 6, 2011 12:06:44 GMT
:eeep: Don't lay the swords on the table without a pillow ~~~""(/* A*)/
The Tadayoshi's Hamon looks active, As far as if it's gimei or not, I'm not a shinsa team so I can't help you out (^- ^); But I think it is a nihonto because the hamon is active
the Takehisa's hamon looks inactive so I think it might be the guy from seki, I found a takehisa in the seki list so I think it might be showa-to, suguha was common on gunto also. I don't know though unless there are better pictures of the takehisa.
Btw. aside from the blades take good care of the Gunto Koshirae too. Koshirae in that condition is particularly rare to find these days and the koshirae alone may carry alot of value and history.
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Post by william m on Dec 6, 2011 12:37:21 GMT
Thats nice, I have a Tadayoshi Wakizashi from I think 1680. Ill post it up on here later on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 3:12:34 GMT
william i would love to see that! is it a 2nd gen then?
Masahiro i realized that after i did it and yeah i am sorry.... i have never owned a sword before all i have are kendo sticks, i do not want a copy i want a real japanese sword so i have never bought a katana yet....and i do not own these there my new friend who owns a lot of antique katanas..... i am thinking of purchasing the takehisa it is in good shape and i do apologize for the pictures i still cannot find my camera...... but the tadayoshi yes there is hamon going on but what kind of blade is so narrow? not blade thickness its thick but from the back to the edge it is thin the takehisa is a big heavy blade and is balanced about 5-6 inches from the habaki and feels good in the hand it is a showa 1943 autumn... but the appeal of owning a older blade from a well known family like tadayoshi is there but he wants $1500 for the tadayoshi and $1000 for takehisa but i still cant get the tsuka off it is stuck.... any of you know about the cutting ability of these 2 swords?
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Post by Krelian on Dec 7, 2011 22:19:25 GMT
I tend to find cutting ability depends more on the user and the sharpness of the edge rather than the smith. And I agree with masahiro560, koshirae in that condition is quite uncommon.
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Post by Lee Bray on Dec 8, 2011 5:13:49 GMT
Comparing the Tadayoshi mei with Roger Robertshaw's Hizento Tadayoshi book, it appears this signature is gimei. We live in the same town so I can run the pictures by Roger if you want confirmation. Obviously not a shinsa but his opinion is one of the most authoritative around.
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Post by william m on Dec 8, 2011 22:47:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 1:23:42 GMT
Too lee bray that would be awesome i enjoy chit chatting about these! There are 2 shinsa fellows 5 hoours from me is it worth it to take this blade there if i buy it? I believe its $275 if accepted..... And i really like the hamon on that wakazashi! Beautiful i thank you for those pictures i wish i could find my camera so i could take better pictures.... i have more pictures of my takehisa but i still cant find my camera so please bare with me for now . Tthe tang is much larger then the tadayoshi and it does have 3 Ws stamped on it 2 on 1 side 1 on other but cant see in pix......
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Post by Lee Bray on Dec 9, 2011 1:49:20 GMT
Hi Darius, I showed the pics to Roger and he says the mei is fake, gimei. He has been collecting Hizen Tadayoshi for over 30 years and I would take his opinion next to a shinsa any day of the week. If you were to buy, you should pay for shinsa for peace of mind. That said, I wouldn't pay $1500 for a gimei wakizashi unless I really liked it.
The W stamps on the Takehisa more than likely signify that the blade is not traditionally made. Popular opinion has it at the moment that star stamps are the only stamps that can be placed on a traditionally made blade. Star stamps are the only stamps to have passed NBTHK papers so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 2:07:53 GMT
lee bray thanks for the info it is a katana tho but the tang seems like it would be a wakazashi it is small.... it is a old blade i know that but the guy was not sure if it was a fake tadayoshi or not i am not buying it though i cannot get over how small the tang is and it is kinda expensive... the blade on that thing tho is really curved it looks right in the tachi style koshirae or ww2 with the curve but it needs a polish to really see the hamon.... this guys takehisa I am gonna buy though due to it is not $1500 haha and he said i can give him money here and there so hey why not, I really like this guy it is to bad you guys are not around MN or ND cause I am going to this guys house soon and he has been collecting for 30 years.... and his retired banker friend has 10 times as much as him so i get a private tour haha everything from 1400-1944 so anyway i hope you all can get something out of those takehisa pictures it has some spider rusting but nothing bad the polish is still really shiny and that one worn spot on the saya is really the only damage to the koshirae exept it is missing 2 seppa but anyway again since we are on the topic of shin gunto does anybody know why the drastic change in koshirae from the type 3 and 98? if I am wrong with technical terms I apologize I am still learning which is why I am asking so many questions if i am.... but the 193?-43 were all tachi style theres a lot going on for a ww2 weapon and then the later years were simplified and i kinda like those esspecially in a leather combat protector any i am rambling just wonder why the fairly drastic change? maybe money...?
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Post by masahiro560 on Dec 9, 2011 11:48:41 GMT
i was also suspecting the tadayoshi mei to be funny It wasn't in the usual way ending with saku
Then it also looked like it had no confidence when it was made.
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