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Post by Talon on Nov 4, 2011 5:09:05 GMT
i've shot the marlin 1894 in .357,that was a sweet rifle ,if i was using one i would scope it with a red dot sight and fit a john wayne style oversize lever
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 4, 2011 5:12:45 GMT
Glad to hear it, since I was interested in a Marlin 1894C in .357 (and a Ruger GP100 to go alongside it).
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Post by Larry Jordan on Nov 4, 2011 5:31:52 GMT
Which 22 cal?
22-250 220 Swift 223 Rem ...
A good friend knows of someone (isn't it always the case?) who effectively hunted smaller deer with a 22-250. He probably used a suitable 55gr or 60gr bullet. (The 1-14 rate of twist limits bullet weight(length actually) for this cartridge.)
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Post by 14thforsaken on Nov 4, 2011 6:18:36 GMT
I used .22LR. At that time I was doing a lot of target shooting and could group 5 out of 5 shots into a target the size of a quarter from 300 yards with either eye (I don't have a dominant eye so I can and do shoot both left and right). I'm a bit out of practice right now but I could bet back to level pretty quick if I had the time. The males and several of the females in my family tend to be natural shots for some reason.
Even with that my father is a much better shot than me. For him any firearm is basically point and shoot. He doesn't even aim really. I've seen him make a coke can dance from 40-50 feet away with a revolver. I still have to aim somewhat, I can just do it pretty quickly and adjust on the fly.
I do have fun when I buy rifles now. If they come with a scope they make a big deal about them being bore sighted for anywhere from 35-50 yards. Then I ask them to set it for 300 yards. They always look at me like I'm insane. 300 yards is just a good midpoint for me, if the target is 600 yards about the bullets drops about 6 inches, if its closer its a couple inches high. Either way its easy to compensate for or for a zombie target just aim center mass and you'll be fine.
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Post by GUEST on Nov 4, 2011 9:24:00 GMT
What kind of 22LR ammo are you using that will only drop 6in at 600yds with a 300yd sight in. A lever action rofle in 45/70 is nice but my reloads would problaby shoot it lose or blow it up, I use a bolt action carbine. The loads I use through it are close to 458win mag veliocties.
I reallly do like the Marlin lever actions have one in 44mag to go with my revolver. Also have a Rossi lever action 92 in 357mag to go with my 357mag revolvers, it has the loop lever.
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Post by 14thforsaken on Nov 4, 2011 11:56:08 GMT
I don't have my .22 set there, just my heavier caliber rifles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 12:41:24 GMT
Funny that this is still in recent topic box. Actually I read a book about the .22 Rimfire a long time ago, and the guy metioned a way to reload rimfires. Something like they were hard to come by during WW2 or depression or something, can't remember for certain. But it IS possible. Basically the primer coats the inside of rim, and unless it's hit in the same spot (unlikely) they work. It IS possible to reload them though, but wouldn't be much need to compared to other rounds anyway. Why not a 3.5" supermag 12 gauge or atleast 3" 12 gauge loaded with .25" balls? maybe steel for lighter weight/more shot even? Good for headshots...heck a head shot to deer only a single ball needs to hit the brain and it'll drop faster than a .300 Win-mag to the heart! :twisted: As for hunting deer with a .22 LR (mentioned), the other week my buddy with private property mentioned it (head-shots at close range and all) BUT after firing his .22's I was like "please, please DON'T attempt it!"
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 4, 2011 16:09:05 GMT
I feel kinda lucky after hearing that; it's pretty cool that both you and Mike Harris live relatively close to me. Maybe I can get one or the both of you to teach me to shoot one of these years.
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Post by GUEST on Nov 4, 2011 17:54:37 GMT
What caliber of rifle do you have that will only drop 6in at 600yds with a 300 yd sight in. Not even my 300win mag sniper rifle will shoot that flat. It has a 56in drop at 600yds with a 300yd sight in. I don't know of any rifle caliber which will shoot that flat.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Nov 4, 2011 18:57:52 GMT
The following article discusses Shooting the 22LR at 300 Yards. Let me address your fantastic claims: 1. Quarter sized groups: A quarter is approximately 7/8" in diameter. At three hundred yards a group fitting within this area is <.33MOA -- rather unbelievable shooting considering the effect of environment on this slow moving projectile with a misserable ballistic coefficient. (see 3) 2. Your father doesn't aim; you aim somewhat: Top Ways to Miss a Deer. 3. 6" drop from 300 to 600 yards: Maj. John L. Plaster's 308Win Trajectory Table shows a 73.2" drop for the Sierra 168 gr BTHP Match projectile. This is considerably larger than 6". What's more, it is traveling at the muzzle approximately 2.7x the velocity of the 22LR. It's ballistic coef. is .45 which is far superior to any bullet design of 22LR standard ammo--approximately .125 (see BC's for 22LR) Zombies are not your problem. You forgot to enclose your post in the appropriate markup tags ([bs][/bs]).
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 7, 2011 22:23:06 GMT
I think it's the fault of the editor on this new forum site. The [ bs ] and [ /bs ] tags always drop off, allowing for miscommunication to errupt. And you know...the internet does that. On the subject of the effectiveness of the .22LR, as related to using .22LR on deer...I've done it. On three occasions. Was hunting small game and shootable deer made timely appearances. One fell to a single brain hit with CCI Stinger. One took three rounds to the shoulder and died quickly (bargain high-velocity HPs). The third took one neck hit and died within 50 feet (Winchester PowerPoint). One thing I've noted is that all .22 LR ammo is nowhere near equal in effectiveness. It's one of the most variable rounds available. My personal favorite is Winchester PowerPoint. It kills stuff quick. Second choice for effectiveness is CCI Stinger. Most everything else falls into a 3rd or 4th category of effectiveness, in my experience. Oh yeah, and the Hornady Z-Max...It's V-Max/TAP with the polymer color changed to green. And it's expensive, like novelty item expensive. I will have buy a box in each of the calibers I use... To put on my coffee table as a conversation piece, mostly for the packaging. Way too expensive to actually shoot. :shock:
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Nov 8, 2011 1:02:41 GMT
i thought about the same with real .9999% silver bullets....54$ a piece....but i want like 12 to display with a 6 shooter in a case.
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 8, 2011 13:46:00 GMT
That would make a cool display, but I could never see myself spending the money on them. One affordable alternative is Winchester Silvertip. This would look cool as Hell, at a fraction of the cost. I have some of this from when it first came out, in .357 Mag. It was loaded in nickel cases and the bullets are polished aluminum. They totally look like a hollowpoint version of the Lone Ranger's silver bullets. And they shoot great too, whereas bullets made of real silver, even alloyed with lead, shoot like total crap past about 10 feet. Just an idea... www.winchester.com/Products/hand ... fault.aspx
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Post by sam salvati on Nov 8, 2011 16:35:22 GMT
LOL
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Post by Larry Jordan on Nov 8, 2011 18:35:41 GMT
At what range did you take the deer? What was your rifle's zero? What was the rifle? Shooters want to know.
In the Zombie A'lypse we may wish to keep a lower sonic profile while taking game.
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 9, 2011 19:07:36 GMT
Good point, and it gets to the point of the overall thesis for having a good .22LR for "Zombie Time." This was when I was in the age range of 15 to 20. The two .22s I had at the time were a Winchester 9422 and a Rossi clone of a Winchester Model 62 pump with exposed hammer. The distances were 50-75 yards in all cases. I zero all my .22LR rifles at 50 yards. The .2LR pistols are zeroed at 25 yards.
My point for having a good .22LR rifle for any survival/apocolypse/zombie outbreak/what-have-you is twofold. FIrst, the ammo is inexpensive along with being compact and light weight. Ergo, you can afford to have a lot of it and keep it in a small container that's easily transportable. Secondly, the noise produced by a .22LR rifle is negligible in a rural setting and is much less likely to attract attention than more powerful centerfire rounds of any type.
Is the lowly .22LR perfect for anti-zombie work? Heck no. But if you are in a relatively secure space and not in immediate danger of being overrun, such as in a secured building or up a tree, it will allow you to precisely place relatively effective and quiet rounds into the vital bits to neutralize a surrounding horde without attracting attention from very far away.
And third, since the ammo is affordable and places to practice with it abound, this should be the firearm with which you have the greatest familiarity and skill.
The same attributes of low noise and precision placement at moderate distances makes it a go-to choice for collecting game in circumstances where you don't want to attract attention. Just pick the right kind of ammo, and you can do all kinds of stuff with a .22LR.
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Post by Bogus on Nov 13, 2011 5:40:11 GMT
IMO .22LR is the most underrated round currently in circulation. The problem, from what I can tell, is that most people equate it solely with Saturday night specials and the cheap $20 a brick stuff which honestly *is* pretty crappy even if quantity makes up for it. But CCI and others put out some high quality stuff, it may not be as powerful as big centerfire rifles but it still packs a punch. On the hardware side, Ruger, CZ and Anschutz make outstanding rimfire pistols and rifles, though the latter isn't particularly common or affordable outside competition circles. Going back a few years, some vintage Remingtons and Weatherbys are excellent as well.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Nov 13, 2011 15:18:32 GMT
Jeff Cooper in "To Ride, Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth" recommended the 22lr for riot control. The idea was to single out the instigators, tag them with a "non-lethal" 22 pill and change their concerns. This may work for riot control, but zombies need to be "convinced" with a CNS destroying hit. Will the 22lr penetrate at range? Unless the shot is accurately placed, it would guess that there is a strong chance that it will deflect off the skull. Skull Deflection (see last paragraph on page) I am not an expert in terminal ballistics. I've been unable to find any source which might suggest that a 223Rem/5.56nato is more/less likely to deflect than a 22lr, when the angle is oblique. (Can someone recommend a source?) Since it has 3x the velocity (and 9x the kinetic energy) of the 22lr, it seems more likely to produce skull fragments as secondary missiles, if it doesn't not penetrate. If possible, target an eye socket.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Nov 13, 2011 15:26:27 GMT
awesome idea!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 17:31:16 GMT
Well a .22LR FULL-AUTO that holds say 180 rd.sWould be about the most applicable for rapid head-shots (due to non-recoil). Lewis gun styling...there was actually an article in an OLD "SWAT" magazine ( ) or similar gun magazine, where the police considered switching from 12 gauge to full-auto .22LR AM 180...they actually during the trial had shot it out with a bank robber, and fired BOTH into the car...the lethal rounds were nine .22LR's which pierced the heart. I posted about the account on another forum and a guy there actually found pics and posted of the event. (IIRC it was in CA somewhere). The 12 Ga. damaged the door and car a bit. Oh, those .22 CCI Stingers mentioned from a tiny Phoenix Arms pocket pistol were penetrating two thick phone books, AND chipping the basement wall cinderblocks occasionally! :shock: Cool little pistol, it has available longer barrel, and I'd had my eye on it before I noticed it at gunshows, fitted out with laser sight and suppressor (available with permits and all) ...tiny pistol. Oh, as for the "not aiming" mentioned, good points, but myself, I worked in a kitchen counter-top building shop once, and was using the glue gun sprayer daily. At the same time I owned a variation AK-47 semi-auto, which I took to the range and fired from the hip, A SINGLE shot which hit a 2 -liter at about 50 yards... :shock: COULD have been luck, but I think it was the practice from pointing the glue sprayer. IDK 600 yards seems incredible with a .22LR though. :roll:
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