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Post by zentesukenVII on Nov 1, 2011 17:58:41 GMT
I've seen this on TV before but its on youtube now and is a fantastic documentary about the life of the greatest warrior who's ever lived: Musashi Miyamoto. The guy who narrates it really does a great job, this is one of the best documentaries I've seen.
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Post by etiennehamel on Nov 1, 2011 18:01:20 GMT
yeah i saw a little of it i might watch it all this time (i saw the video on facebook i think but never watched it all)
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Post by jhart06 on Nov 1, 2011 18:18:45 GMT
Watching it now, I am liking it so far.. I like the fact that, while slightly romanticized here and there, they do point out Samurai started as tax collectors/paid thugs.
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Post by masahiro560 on Nov 1, 2011 18:29:20 GMT
I've watched it a few months ago . It's a pretty good one, minus the occasional cheesy animated scenes (well I would like them if they were made uhhh in anime style? :lol: -totally biased towards anime-) . But still it's a good documentary.
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Post by u02rjs4 on Nov 1, 2011 22:05:32 GMT
i had to turn it off after 5 minutes as he claimed the swords were the best in the world and started going on about its soul. Its the same old movie inspired attitude of Japanese sword and samurai superiority. I started a post on the old katana euro sword debate a while back.
If it changes later on then i apologise but this again miss-informs people who don't know about swords such as my girlfriends mother that Katana's are god like and not just steel like any other sword. Someone mentioned to me a while back the Vikings had all sorts of myths of their swords and people rationally realise its stories and exaggeration. On the other hand if its Japanese myth it seems to be indulged. As it being the best in the world it doesn't seem to have been tested much outside of Japan so that seems a sweeping statement. I know of a war in Korea where the Japanese where eventually kicked out and a few wars with the Mongols where they were very fortunate not to be over run. Someone told me that the Portuguese founded a port and there were skirmishes with rapier against katana. I don't know if this is true and cannot find any evidence but if someone knows about this please tell me details. It's in my nature to have a cynical scientific view of the world so feel free to disagree and i'm sure a lot of people love Samurai myths etc so no offence intended just my personal view.
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Post by Derzis on Nov 1, 2011 23:17:54 GMT
If just an affirmation made you stop watching, I kind of doubt your scientific part. As for the documentary, I might say that Musashi saw the limitations of the normal using of daisho, for this I consider him big. And for the mind playing with the adversary. But the same I would give to the first european swordsman who used the dagger in the same time with the sword. It is just a documentary about a guy who broke some barriers and became hero. Romance and heroes goes hand in hand.
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Post by u02rjs4 on Nov 1, 2011 23:52:02 GMT
Not sure what definition of affirmation you mean but if it is "a declaration of truth" and i believe there is no proof of this truth ,then i can't see how that isn't scientific? I'm not disliking the Historical beliefs or Musahi, i'm disliking the presenter or writers comments. I admit i didn't give it much time but if something winds me up in 5 minutes i think its not for me. I like Japanese history and just wish it was treated objectively (if thats the correct word) like every other nation, and in a programme intended to hopefully educate about that, deal in fact. Its a story of romance and a hero as you said so no need to add guff to an already interesting history. The worst example of this is the catastrophe of a film "Braveheart". So many historical errors and liberties which many people take as truth in a subject matter that is factually already really interesting.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 2, 2011 0:23:27 GMT
I saw this when it first came out. It's not bad. A bit hokey in places to be sure, but a little more in depth than a couple others I've seen. I agree that it would be cool to see a stark, factual, no nonsense rendition of the often romanticized subject of Japanese swords and swordsmen, but that will never really happen. The Japanese are too fond(and I as well,) of their storytelling to stop.
I don't have any beef with Dacascos, but I'd like to see one of these shows hosted by a non-actor. Actors are always more focused on the scene, not so much the subject. Anyhow, this is a pretty decent show for Musashi lovers. Which I am.
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Post by etiennehamel on Nov 2, 2011 0:36:39 GMT
at least paul martin is in the documentary so it's not completely something bad.
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Post by Hiroshi on Nov 2, 2011 0:42:13 GMT
I watched it a long time ago, I enjoyed most of it.
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Post by jhart06 on Nov 2, 2011 0:43:24 GMT
Nothing bad with a bit of embroidering the truth. All cultures do it. The issue is when your too lazy to get off your tuckus and find the real history behind it, or that it gets suppressed. Neither of which are happening here.
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 2, 2011 0:54:01 GMT
I couldn't get past the fellow's ego and had to abandon ship about 27 minutes in. Add to that the dramatic reinventions and repetitive side scenes...I had enough 10 minutes in. I quite thoroughly enjoyed, however, a feature film length animated documentary of the life and principles of Musashi. I think there was a thread on it either here or the old forum, I'll have to dig around later. Right now is well past my bedtime and, frankly, I can be bothered right now. :x I'm sure the facts between the flub are good, but I cant bare all the fancy angles on the apathetic man who talks to himself...about himself...while occasionally mentioning a historic figure which the whole thing is supposed to be about.
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Post by nihontoman on Nov 2, 2011 1:20:08 GMT
I'v just watched all of it... what a douche :x
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Post by jeimuzu on Nov 2, 2011 8:28:27 GMT
to be honest, I didnt like it one bit. I recorded it on my DVR hoping it was going to be pretty nice, but sadly I gave too much hope into it. What I dont understand was it started out to be about the Samurai......and then all of a sudden it was all about Musashi? Granted the Man was great with what he did but there are others in history that were as good as him and held a higher status than him. If your gonna do a documentary on Samurai's, then do it on Samurais. Makes no sense to go from samurai to Musashi. Oh I got it.....Lets go from Edo period to ww2. See? Makes no sense.
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Post by George on Nov 2, 2011 9:14:31 GMT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Post by George on Nov 2, 2011 9:32:50 GMT
I thought it was a documentary about Musashi not the Narrator? Wish someone could cut out all his rubbish and just put the real Musashi story in there. I bet he loves the sound of his own voice :\ Still a good Documentary, maybe more for mainstream than enthusiasts.
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Post by masahiro560 on Nov 2, 2011 11:34:14 GMT
I had the same ideas when I saw it again as well... But then it all came back to me and rememebered this was also "That" documentary making martial arts sexualized by him having swing a bokken all sweaty on a tokyo pedestrian bridge wearing a sleeveless shirt.....
my gf asked how come he wasn't arrested, especially since it's tokyo hahaha.
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Post by Vue on Nov 2, 2011 12:29:37 GMT
If you guys are interested in the historical Miyamoto Mushashi then I would recommend this 'Musashi: The Dream of the Last Samurai' Documentary, although it is done in anime style; it's actually much better than most Doco's about Musashi since it only deals with factual information.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 2, 2011 13:43:07 GMT
Thanks, I haven't seen that one yet. I'll be sure to look it up.
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 2, 2011 15:32:33 GMT
That may be the one I mentioned earlier, I only know it by (and have forgotten) the Japanese title, but the word "yume" (dream) was in there somewhere, I think.
If it's the same, despite its ow quirky narrator problems, it was pretty decent.
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