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Post by salvatore on Mar 24, 2008 6:24:05 GMT
Hi all. I was wondering, do any of the practicing swordsman perform chiburi? I am working on mine, even though the skill holds no real purpose other than being traditional act, it always sparked my interest. Always thought it was pretty cool, so I have been performing it ever since. However, I am pretty slow with it, if anyone knows how to perform chiburi, I could always use some advice. Thanks
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Post by oos3thoo on Mar 24, 2008 6:54:53 GMT
Traditionally? I don't know how, but I usually just twist my blade while swinging it in a whippy motion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2008 11:18:46 GMT
Hi all. I was wondering, do any of the practicing swordsman perform chiburi? I am working on mine, even though the skill holds no real purpose other than being traditional act, it always sparked my interest. Always thought it was pretty cool, so I have been performing it ever since. However, I am pretty slow with it, if anyone knows how to perform chiburi, I could always use some advice. Thanks www.hyoho.com/Tosa10.html While I wholly believe it holds its place Noto, in real life, I have often wondered if it would be much better to just wipe it on the deadman's kimono instead Chiburi itself would not remove all the blood present on your sword, in the interests of the steels qualities it would still need a wipe/oil down before long. Not to mention the smell your saya would develop, if you were to rely solely on chiburi. Say for instance, you were to cut through someone's femoral artery, blood would spray out covering the tsuka, it would go up your arm ,across your chest, and possibily across your face. Doing chiburi after that would seem, somewhat futile. but thats just me
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2008 17:23:20 GMT
In my school, Nakamura-ryu, chiburi is regarded as useless for removing blood (though I've never tested it), yet we still practice it as a defensive move. I think that every school has a different way of doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2008 17:27:25 GMT
I think it's practical application lies in the past, maybe for fighting multiple opponents. It may not clean the blade completely, but it beats re-sheathing a completely blood-soaked sword. I figure it became a formal part of kata and one-on-one fighting as just another intimidation move. It looks foreboding, and when you do it it is a good sign to the next attacker that you are ready to kill them.
there's a few different chiburi, but the most common we use is coming from mid-guard position, where the kissaki is pointed toward the throat of your opponent, with hands extended in front of you pushing out as far as you can without pointing the sword straight out (pommel roughly above the belt line), then you "flick" the blade toward the ground (right hand of course) with the blade ending at the same angle as your arm and the kissaki about mid thigh level (so it is still in a useful position for stabbing) you reach for your obi at the same time you flick and make sure the kurikata is facing the right way, bring the saya forward and noto.
hope that makes sense, harder to explain than I thought without showing it.
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Post by salvatore on Mar 24, 2008 18:01:34 GMT
Well chop, I know that! It was said that wiping the blood on your enemies kimono was more effective anways. Thanks for the link, too.
I have tested chiburi, and my friend has as well, it does flick whatever liquid is on the blade, off the blade. Just not as much as actually wiping it off. I just think it looks great, and in my opinion, it is intimidating in a way.
You always see in the anime, the swordsman slices at empty air, and all the blood flys off, hate that! Lol.
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Post by tajima on Mar 24, 2008 20:19:06 GMT
It does look cool, makes you look like a tough git. I practise it and I find it is mainly just a traditional thing.
Thanks, -Tajima, sorry.
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Post by salvatore on Mar 26, 2008 1:03:52 GMT
That is pretty much it, it looks so very cool. Thanks for the input guys, and the link, Chop.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 13:42:42 GMT
There are many ways to perform chiburi. One is a simple whip of the blade, another is a little "twitch", and there is what I call the twisting chiburi (as performed by Thurman in kill bill 1). And so on and on. Be careful not to hurt yourself on the head
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 19:50:05 GMT
I find that chiburi is more for zanshin than anything else. It keeps you present in the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 0:46:52 GMT
You swing the sword to your right side mune should be facing to your right stoping the sword at about your right front side then turn the the sword so the mune is facing you then a do a quick flick down then noto this is how I perform chiburi you can also check this site out www.hyoho.com/Tosa10.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 2:53:30 GMT
Important to note that chiburi and noto are two separate things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 3:40:58 GMT
If you are interested. Here is a link of Sensei Alex DaCosta demonstrating Chiburi and Noto
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 31, 2008 4:04:34 GMT
A fascinating and fantastic video. Great find, thanks for sharing.
I wonder about some of the Chiburi he demonstrates, but the rest look pretty effective. A lot of the noto were very nice as well.
I especially like the techniques demonstrated shortly after the five-minute mark, where he uses his hand to wipe the blade off, and flicks the imaginary blood off his fingers. A messy method, I'm sure, but, if you'll forgive the expression, badass.
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Post by salvatore on Mar 31, 2008 6:23:58 GMT
Chiburi is the only thing that I have to work on...My noto is great, and I recently got a taste of iaijutsu, and it is AMAZING. Safe to say I will keep on practicing, and the links are really great guys. Much appreciated.
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Post by slav on Mar 31, 2008 6:40:50 GMT
While I wholly believe it holds its place Noto, in real life, I have often wondered if it would be much better to just wipe it on the deadman's kimono instead... How disgraceful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 16:16:35 GMT
Important to note that chiburi and noto are two separate things. Yes but noto usually comes right after chiburi
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 18:28:50 GMT
Usually, yes. However the purpose of chiburi is also to remain alert and ready for anything else. In Toyama Ryu, the blade points downward at your 'opponent' ready to finish him off if he decides that he has anything left. Also, the edge faces outward, ready to turn and attack any other 'opponent's who decide they want a piece of you.
So yes, they happen right next to each other(most of the time in kata anyway). But noto and chiburi are very distinct movements that should not be confused the one with the other.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Apr 1, 2008 1:54:42 GMT
We did a number of different chiburi but the one I liked the best starts out with you down on one knee after a cut then you rotate the blade slightly as your left hand goes back to the saya, then your right arm moves slowly out to your side with your arm level to the ground, you bend your elbow bringing the sword next to your head and then quickly slice through the air in front of you as you stand up. The blade comes quite close to the top of your head and it all looks very cool.
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Post by salvatore on Apr 1, 2008 6:56:18 GMT
thanks for the continued input guys! This thread has seen more comments than I had originally thought...so thanks.
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