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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2008 0:35:35 GMT
Usually, yes. However the purpose of chiburi is also to remain alert and ready for anything else. In Toyama Ryu, the blade points downward at your 'opponent' ready to finish him off if he decides that he has anything left. Also, the edge faces outward, ready to turn and attack any other 'opponent's who decide they want a piece of you. So yes, they happen right next to each other(most of the time in kata anyway). But noto and chiburi are very distinct movements that should not be confused the one with the other. Yeah a LOT of people think its one move when its not
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2008 17:57:03 GMT
In my Shinkendo practice we have chiburi at the end of everything where you noto the sword. How effective it would really be in getting blood and guts off of the sword, is not entirely the point, IMO. As Adam stated, it's to keep you attentive to the situation, preparing to noto and staying deffensive. In our forms, a proper chiburi, all three types, end with the blade held between you and any opponent infront of you, so it's easy to swing up for a block or attack. From this position, if it's safe to noto, ie no more bad guys, you go ahead and perform noto.
Also if you think about it, if you are standing at normal chudan kamai, it would be kind of awkward and not very deffensive to go straight into noto from there. I think this might also be part of the purpose of chiburi. To put the sword in a good position to perform noto without compromising to much, and get the left hand on the saya.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2008 11:36:29 GMT
In my Shinkendo practice we have chiburi at the end of everything where you noto the sword. How effective it would really be in getting blood and guts off of the sword, is not entirely the point, IMO. As Adam stated, it's to keep you attentive to the situation, preparing to noto and staying deffensive. In our forms, a proper chiburi, all three types, end with the blade held between you and any opponent infront of you, so it's easy to swing up for a block or attack. From this position, if it's safe to noto, ie no more bad guys, you go ahead and perform noto. Also if you think about it, if you are standing at normal chudan kamai, it would be kind of awkward and not very deffensive to go straight into noto from there. I think this might also be part of the purpose of chiburi. To put the sword in a good position to perform noto without compromising to much, and get the left hand on the saya. I agree fully with you there! The whole purpose of chiburi is not only to remove the blood from you blade, but also a guarded stance. I just want to add, a lot of people seem to think that not a lot of blood is removed from the blade with chiburi. While this is partly true, I think they greatly underestimate the amount of blood splattering you get from cutting off a limb! Your blade is DRENCHED in blood, which is quite gruesome so flicking off as much as possible as soon as possible is always a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2008 14:49:25 GMT
Exactly. I don''t think anyone every expected to completely remove every drop of blood from their blade with chiburi, but it sure is smarter than noto with a blood drenched blade.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2008 10:50:53 GMT
Hi, I also think Chiburi was used to stop the blood and guts from running down your sword and onto the handle and your hands if you were in an extended battle with more than one adversary. It would make the sword handle slippery and hard to hold on to....cut, cut, cut...Chiburi...cut, cut,cut....Chiburi...cut, cut, cut and so on.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2008 17:34:32 GMT
Has anyone experimented with real blood?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2008 22:32:12 GMT
Well, I have had to cut into human flesh if thats what you mean? A lot of blood! I just want to add that it was not fatal to my opponent and it was in self defense!
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