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Post by tajima on May 13, 2007 21:38:36 GMT
Gotta love the groin thrust...ohhhh yeah.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2007 23:03:17 GMT
Interestingly enough if it is right over left that is perfect for a left hander because the power and control are in the lower hand which is the left hand. Are there many one handed kata that one need to accomplish? My biggest problem would be getting the sword back in the sheath with my right hand i would imagine.
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Post by rammstein on May 14, 2007 0:14:23 GMT
actually, power is in the left hand, but control is in the right. However, I don't find ANY power boost when doing it this way and I only feel akward and clumsy doing it like this.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 4:14:40 GMT
ramm: i disagree, both power and control come from my left hand in a two handed strike, but maybe that is because that is how it works when i use a staff as well.
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Post by tajima on May 14, 2007 6:39:19 GMT
I am yet to see any katas which use one hand on the blade, however there are several parries and slashed which involve an empty-handed kick or punch in which you will punch them, and then cut their neck/legs. Dudaaa!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2007 21:19:32 GMT
The right hand for me i've noticed is for stability. Left hand is for strength and maneuvering.
Unless I switch hands, then it's backwards obviously.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2007 13:26:52 GMT
there is 1 guy i can think of a while ago i did some research about the shinzen gumi and one guy named hajime saito (yes the same guy from the rurouni kenshin series) and not only in the series but in his real life it was said that he used a left handed trusting technique that was supposed to be deadlier than okita's 3 piece trust (another member of the shinzen gumi) the only thing that's to bad that there isn't any relevant data on those specific techniques cuz those guys where especialy keen on keeping there techniques as an advantage to other warriors so none of it has actually passed down the next generations
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2007 10:52:25 GMT
Very nice! Thanks for taking the time and effort to post this thread- well done! I am a lefty so heres my thoughts. When i was a fresh faced lad of 22 (in 1988) and began training in the Bujinkan, i was informed that there were no such thing (well, thats not entirely true, but its very rare) as lefties in regards to JSA. While i was not real pleased to be informed of this (cause darn it if im going to do something i want to look GOOD doing it..ha) i bit the bullet and learned....right handed. And i am forever in debt to my teacher for that. Where i am still much more comfortable in "lefty mode" i am more than passable using the traditional right handed grip. So whilst in class if for instance the instructor uses me as uke, or if im training with a novice i will use the right hand method, and on my own or with a seasoned partner i will go to left. Recently at a seminar taught by a Shihan visiting frm japan we were doing some bkken vs rokushaku bo. Someone well versed in "distance" and armed with a rokushakubo can give a swordsman a heck of a time. As the training progressed we were told t make it more realistic, so at one pointi brought the bokken up into the left version of daijodan and you could see the confusion on my partners face-bang, he froze-i didn't:) i guess the moral is in real life there are no rules. Cross training in "handedness" is a good way to eliminate weak points, and thats what most martial arts boil down to. So if the sensei wants you to learn righty-go for it!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 9:24:50 GMT
Nice thread. I like the visuals.
Just have to put my 2 cents in on a couple of things.
For what it's worth, I think you guys are fundamentally arguing apples and oranges. Some people here are really interested in training strictly for it's combat applications. Others hold the preservation of historic forms and disciplines worthwhile in and of itself. I can respect that, even though I lean more toward the first type. For example, I would have little use for complicated re-sheathing techniques, which I consider entirely irrelevant to combat - getting the weapon into play is the important thing. If I still felt threatened I wouldn't be re-sheathing in the first place. But, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the practise and skill that went into it. Before we start criticizing each other, I think we need to keep in mind that the other person may be starting with entirely different objectives than yours. Know what I mean?
Oh yes, I also have to add, as someone who has fenced for many years, being left-handed DEFINITELY gives you an advantage, unless they've had a ton of experience with other lefties. Any boxer will tell you the same.
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Post by redsamurai on Jul 21, 2007 3:10:42 GMT
Highly appreciated!
+1 K to you. 'Nuff said.
groundedi, as far as thrusting technique - i've found it more effective (and accurate) to turn the blade edge up, when thrusting thru water bottles, as otherwise they almost always get semi-punctured/lifted/pushed off the stand by the kissake. having it upside down seems to negate all of those things from happening.
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Post by tajima on Jul 25, 2007 8:55:44 GMT
I am forced to agree. I mean, if you think about it the main thrust is only in the start, where the kissaki pierces. From then on, unless you have a kenshin reverse blade, your mune ain't doing no stabbing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2007 20:40:29 GMT
hey everyone, thanks for a very informative post chopchop! and though you don't really need it, here's more karma I have been wanting for a while to learn some proper drawing / cutting techniques, but unfortunately the instructor at the only iaido school around me won't let me start becuase they use live blades and i don't have 10 years experience and whatnot... plus i can't really afford the $100 a month classes + hundreds more on the uniforms and such anyway... so i figure i can work on some basic things on my own with the help of some of the guides (like this one) and video's to be found online (youtube really is a great learning tool as i've discovered with playing guitar). I know that there is no substitute for a good instructor teaching you in person but since that is not really an option for me at the moment i see no reason why i shouldn't pursue this interest on my own. anyway, my problem at the moment is that my only katana is the cheness 30" nagasa... which is a bit too long for me to feel comfortable properly drawing / sheathing. so now i'm barely holding myself back from buying the cheness delux iaito with a 28" blade... though a small part of me is thinking maybe i should get a live blade because: a. i'll be forced to treat it with the utmost respect and b. i'd eventually like to do some drawing / cutting too and it would be nice to save the money and not have to buy two swords.... any thoughts or advice for me? especially on the whole live blade = respect + cutting ability VS. i'm teaching myself i should get an iaito and be safe debate? oh and chopchop, i think you posted somewhere that you had ordered a cheness delux iaito... if so, how did that work out for you?
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Post by tajima on Aug 26, 2007 21:29:25 GMT
Hmm, I think personally to get a sharpened Iaito before you get a bluntened, because if you are training with a katana that has different weight, length and handling to the one you cut with it can be really awkward. Plus, you save a few hundred!
Hope that helped. One company (I think they went bust) gave a free bokken the same weight and length etc. for sparring and shadow cuts as the katana which you purchased. Now wouldn't that be easy to do with two swords (iaito and a live blade?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2007 0:02:18 GMT
[quote author=tajima board=jsa thread=1178627597 post=1188163765 if you are training with a katana that has different weight, length and handling to the one you cut with it can be really awkward. [/quote]
good advice tajima, i definately agree with that. from what i can tell though the cheness iaito is pretty much the same in terms of handling length and weight as their sharpened blades...
as to whether these are good representations of higher end katanas i can't say... but then again i probably won't be using anything over the $300 mark anytime soon....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2007 17:14:06 GMT
ChopChop Karma to you. Great teaching and thanks for staying with tradition. If not for that tradition, none of the arts that we value so much would be what they are today, if they were alive at all. The mental aspect gained from following tradition far exceeds any freedom one might gain by taking on there own natural style. And as with any art you chose to follow your mentality is a great deal of the battle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2007 14:14:00 GMT
Red Sam.., groundedi, as far as thrusting technique - i've found it more effective (and accurate) to turn the blade edge up, when thrusting thru water bottles, as otherwise they almost always get semi-punctured/lifted/pushed off the stand by the kissake. having it upside down seems to negate all of those things from happening.
You are correct with this this statement about accuracy. Many will teach to stab blade up from certain stances, kame, because you may place your hand underneath and guide, as well as apply additional force to your thrust(flat handed) once your tip engages your opponent. This particular move may have little affectiveness for kendo/sport applications, but is effective when you need the business end to do what it was truly designed for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2007 12:38:31 GMT
Chopchop, I had to give you a Karma on that post. I was not aware of the " ritual " of holding and using a Katana . I for one appreciate the post. I always figured that using a sword was not that involved. I will definitely need to seek instruction. Again , thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2007 20:44:52 GMT
Where does one get the outfit? It looks comfortable and I practice mindful meditation and that'd add to my overall experience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2007 10:36:32 GMT
Where does one get the outfit? It looks comfortable and I practice mindful meditation and that'd add to my overall experience. PM'd ya.
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Post by salvatore on Oct 22, 2007 4:52:31 GMT
Hello chopchop. I'm Sal, and I show an unwavering interest in the Japanese sword. Some of the things that you showed in this thread have helped me quite substantially. Thank you very much my friend! I will most certainly work on this, and I am also a fan in your choice in swords. Thanks again. Sal
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