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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2006 1:56:26 GMT
My pleasure. The nice thing about that SCA organization is that it won't burn a hole in you pocket. It is a Not for Profit group. The practices only cost me about $5 a session towards the renting of the floor space. The tornaments are ususal only cost about $10 to enter. This is in NY which is generaly expensive. It will be less or probably free where you are.
There are a lot of people that come into the SCA from an Asian background too just because it is so much cheaper. So its not strictly a Eropean martial arts group. You work with the people around you who will advise you on where to get armor and weapons cheaply and help develop you fighting skills. The main thing is to go to practice consistantly so they keep seeing your face, and know that you are commited. When they gain confidence that you are really serious, they will spend even more time training you. And in any case, consistant weekly practice is what it will take to develop you skills.
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Post by jpfranco on Dec 24, 2006 14:11:17 GMT
Hey Sargon, as a matter of fact there is, it is on St.Clair avanue and it is called the Academy of Western Martial Arts. They offer workshop for fencing and longbow. There is also an outdoor archery range, for the summer of course, near the Ontario Science Centre. Here is the link to the AEMMA website. www.aemma.org/Hope this helps. If you want you can contact me by email.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2006 19:54:37 GMT
Tsafa, I'm more interested in European aspect anyway, but it's good to know they cater to all styles!
jpfranco, I'll send you a note - Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2007 18:53:53 GMT
are there any records of a bow that takes literally two men to operate, one to hold, the other to pull? i dont know why but i have a picture in my head like this. please GIVE ME CLOSURE TO MY PONDERING!!!
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Post by rammstein on Jan 4, 2007 18:54:48 GMT
not that I personally know of. Seems prett yimpractical. Why fire one bow when you can fire two seperate ones?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2007 21:27:52 GMT
are there any records of a bow that takes literally two men to operate, one to hold, the other to pull? i dont know why but i have a picture in my head like this. please GIVE ME CLOSURE TO MY PONDERING!!! No, but I have seen turent mounted crossbows, operated by a winch by two people. That dates back to Macedonian Greece, maybe earlier.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 6, 2007 1:26:39 GMT
Tsafa, about our previous conversation about the medieval style of archery.
I normally shoot a 45 - 55 lbs bow. Its not difficult, per say, but I do grow tired after a while. Since you posted this, I've tried this new style and found that, not only is it easier to pull (seems to be a more relaxing pull rather than the short harsh ones of the typical style) but I can fire it many more time without growing tired. Thanks for the tip, its really helped my archery.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2007 1:55:46 GMT
It took me a while to discover that method. I learned it from an archery group in England that I was corresponding with. I am glad I could share it.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 6, 2007 1:58:41 GMT
Karma to you for that recommendation.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 13, 2007 17:59:57 GMT
I think that we as history buffs may need to rethink the ldistance that an arrow shot by a longbow can travel. During my trip to north carolina, I went to a skeet shooting field. Disregarding how well I shot with my uncle's over-and-under 12 guage, I used some the empty space after our shooting to supervise my youger cousin while he shot his 15 lb child bow. Well, I bet him that he couldn't shoot a picnic table that was around 50 paces away. "Hell, it was a child's 15 lb bow, I doubt it could even go that far," I told myself. Well not only did he get about 15 paces PAST the table, we almost lost the arrow as it buried itself into a dense grove of overgrown thorns, vines and trees.
needless to say, I was impressed. So I took my turn with the bow to see how far it could really shoot. I backed up as far as possible drew the arrows almost past its limit, got a good angle and released. I swear, that arrow soared about 150 paces before coming to a stop at the edge of another grove (lucky!). remember, this is a 15lb bow! Imagine what tsafa's 150 lber could do *gasp.* I'd watch out, canadians, for loose arrows ;D!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2007 2:09:05 GMT
Keep in mind that arrows intended for flight are different from arrows intended for penetration. Any bow over 100 lbs will require arrow shafts that are about 1/2 inch think and very stiff with a 600 or grain head or more. So there is a slight offset because of the additional weight. So I would say that you get a combination of more range with additional penetrating power. The heavier mass of the arrow will require more force to accelerate. However even if it is traveling at the same velocity as an arrow from a 50 lb bow the additional mass will yeild more momentum (momentum = mass x acceleration). My conversations with other people who shoot heavy bows for distance shows that they get over a 1/4 of a mile but well under a 1/2 mile with 120 lb bows. It would be interesting to seed what kind of distance we could get from arrows made of modern metals tempered to be very stiff at a much lighter wieght. The stiffness of arrow must be matched up to the power of the bow. If the arrow is too flexible, it will spin out all over the place. If it is too stiff, it will go straight into the ground. Since we are up to the third page of this post, here is a link to the website for any new people browsing. mysite.verizon.net/tsafa1/longbow/longbow.htm
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Post by rammstein on Jan 21, 2007 21:28:50 GMT
Tsafa, read paragraph 5. www.cbhsaa.org/meeting/brown.htmseems to shed a bit of doubt about the longbow only able to be shot 300 yards (which I've read numerous times over.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 22:22:50 GMT
Thanks for that link Rammstein. That is very impressive. It says he has shot an arrow just over 4000 feet. That is 20% short of a mile. The exits speed of 600 fps is also very impresive. That is about the same as a .22 cal. Of course the arrow will pack a much stronger punch because the arrow is many times heavier then a .22 cal.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 22, 2007 22:32:21 GMT
Exactly. The force of an arrows impact has been descirbed as being hit bodily by a fully grown man. A .22 caliber rifle barely will throw you back.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 23, 2007 1:51:46 GMT
Sorry to be a nitpicker, but you're way off on .22 velocity. All high velocity .22 LR bullets are supersonic, even from pistol barrels (speed of sound is 1,087 fps at sea level, optimum atmospheric conditions) and the subsonic target stuff is around 1,000 fps. But that isn't really an issue. And Tsafa is right on target with the point about arrow weight. We typically measure "power factor" as velocity (fps) x projectile weight (grains) / 1,000. So your typical hi-vel .22 LR with a 37 gr HP at 1,200 fps from a rifle gives you a 44.4 power factor (PF). Tsafa, assume for a moment that you can get 400 fps from your heavy bow using an arrow with a heavy 600 grain head and maybe another ?100 grains of arrow? That 700 grain projectile at 400 fps would give you a 280 PF. That falls into a whole other category! Consider that a 240 gr. bullet at 1,250 fps = 300 PF for a 4" barrel full power .44 Magnum handgun. If those velocities and arrow weights are correct, that's bear medicine! And that's VERY impressive.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 23, 2007 2:19:49 GMT
Now, now, shootermike, am I going to have to bring up that texas referrence again ;D?
Wow, you sure do know your stuff, thats undeniable. Math isn't my thing, even though I'm "told" that I'm great at it. I was just asuming that tsafa was correct on this. Good job bringing up that knowledge though, not something that people see everyday!
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 23, 2007 2:25:22 GMT
Well...you know...us guyz frum Texas jes know 'bout drinkin' beer and shootin' gunz. ;D
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Post by rammstein on Jan 23, 2007 2:26:27 GMT
Your a rebel then, you sword monger ! Though I didn't think beer was associated with texas...Gun owners for the most part, based on what I've seen, seem like pretty sober guys with a lot of respect and discipline for their weapons. Beer sort of defeats that. And everyone knows beer and guns don't mix, *cough* CHENEY! *cough* erm, what...?
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 23, 2007 2:33:31 GMT
Yep, that's me. Now you guys have gone and gotten me interested in bows again. I haven't had one since I was 12 years old. I am thinking about a pair of recurves. A 50 lb. bow to start out with. Then graduating up to something heavier as my strength starts to build back up. I would really like to find something approximating a Mongol bow. BUT I REFUSE TO MAKE MY OWN ARROWS!!! I gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 23, 2007 2:37:45 GMT
My dad's best friend made his own longbow out of osage orange. It's about a seventy pounder. He didn't put any oil and paint on it like traditional wood longbows so it's completely dessicated now. I found that out the hard way when it splintered on me!
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