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Post by themaster293 on Feb 14, 2008 1:53:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 2:39:52 GMT
The weld might not have broken but it WILL in time, especially hittin ginappropriate targets like wood. A stainless to "tool" steel weld, what kind of rod/wire did you use?
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 14, 2008 2:52:17 GMT
The weld might not have broken but it WILL in time, especially hittin ginappropriate targets like wood. A stainless to "tool" steel weld, what kind of rod/wire did you use? Rod/wire? I have no idea, as I am not the one who welded it. (If I was, it would have broken already.) My uncle, a professional "weldist" is the one who welded it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 3:05:39 GMT
I know this is supposed to be a warm and friendly forum, but since the subject of this thread is tied very closely to the wellbeing of a human life(or possibly several), I feel my following statements to be highly justified. Are you semprini kidding me? You obviously aren't a certified welder, because anyone with BASIC welding knowledge would know that 1.5 inches of butt-weld connecting sempriniesque stainless steel to HARD(you DID say it was a CHISEL) high-carbon steel isn't going to deal with basic flexing, not to mention the stresses of a SWORD. Have you ever properly bend-tested a weld? Who am I kidding? You continue to cut with heavily knicked blades with no understanding of stress-points and the possibility of breakage. forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=71994&highlight=reforgeSee that link? Al Massey, a highly respected swordsmith, experimented with reforging a broken sword-blade. He split the ends into overlapping tongues, then forgelwelded the pieces together. Even after all that, he admits it's not as good as it was when it was originally solid. Now here YOU are, someone who blatantly abuses his blades, thinking you know what you're doing when you bring out a welding machine and slap parts together. Hell, even after destroying other blades by chopping into wood(something swords ARE NOT MEANT TO DO), you continue to do so. You have little, if ANY, experience in proper cutting. I highly suggest you abandon this little project before you get hurt. Just because it didn't fail the FIRST time you did something stupid, doesn't make it impervious. You're playing a game of Russian Roulette, and no matter how safe you THINK you are, and no matter how many people think me a jerk for this post, you're still purposely putting yourself, and anyone around you when you swing it, in SERIOUS danger.
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 14, 2008 3:27:18 GMT
I told you that the person who welded it is a PROFESSIONAL. And I do not blatantly abuse my swords. And do not ever call me stupid again.
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 14, 2008 3:33:36 GMT
And there are a lot of people on this forum who have made weapons that go through much more abuse than swords. Like maces, they welded EVERY SINGLE PART, and everybody liked it and did not give them crap about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 4:01:51 GMT
Rod/wire? I have no idea, as I am not the one who welded it. (If I was, it would have broken already.) My uncle, a professional "weldist" is the one who welded it. A person who welds is a welder. And there are a lot of people on this forum who have made weapons that go through much more abuse than swords. Like maces, they welded EVERY SINGLE PART, and everybody liked it and did not give them crap about it. Abuse is different for a sword and a mace, as is the pressures and stresses acting on each, and they are MUCH too different to compare. Which is why welding just does not cut it on a sword, short or long, only when done by proffessionals and not just machine welded is it maybe acceptable. Other than that, for a wallhanger it is OK looking, needs alot of cleanup.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 14, 2008 4:04:19 GMT
Why not get rid of the welded part, and make a tang from the main file, and reduce it to a Tac. Tanto or Wak?
If you need any help making scales or a grip I'm sure we can offer it.
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 14, 2008 4:12:48 GMT
Why not get rid of the welded part, and make a tang from the main file, and reduce it to a Tac. Tanto or Wak? If you need any help making scales or a grip I'm sure we can offer it. That is what I planned on doing the first time, but then my uncle suggested that I do it this way. I would really appreciate help on making a handle/scales.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 4:14:20 GMT
I told you that the person who welded it is a PROFESSIONAL. And I do not blatantly abuse my swords. And do not ever call me stupid again. I'm afraid anyone who would purposely use such a dangerous item against such a target as WOOD, is absolutely deserving of the title of STUPID. Now, I certainly wouldn't have responded the way I did had you're initial post not said, "Do not say it, I have hit this into wood and the weld has not broken." This is a VERY pompous statement, essentially telling everyone that you know better when it's PAINFULLY obvious that you do not. Had this simply been an experiment done by an ignorant kid, I'd probably try to teach you what you've done wrong. I figured you've been on this forum long enough to know what one SHOULDN'T do with a sword, but apparently you're too damn immature to understand simple logic. Now, I'm sure you're over the age of twelve, so you DO understand the idea that doing stupid things can cause injury, right? Or are you one of those kids that copies things he sees while watching Jackass? I will say it once more, in the most basic language I can: YOUR LITTLE PROJECT POSES A SEVERE DANGER, AND YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE FOOL TO THINK OTHERWISE.
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 14, 2008 4:25:07 GMT
I am not stupid, I do not watch Jackass, and I have already told you that this sword is solid. All most of you can do is insult me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 4:30:22 GMT
You misunderstand, you may think it is solid, and it might feel solid, but there is no way, NO WAY it is. You can tell yourself, and try to tell everyone it is, but it isn't, chalk it up to beginner mistakes, and start over.
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Post by admin on Feb 14, 2008 4:58:15 GMT
Let's ease up on the personal insults guys... Yes, it may not be - in retrospect - the safest thing to have created and the reason it did not break may well be down to luck... But Hollyroller: you may have had some valid points, but a little tact from here on out is probably in order please... Sams advise of chalking it up to a beginners mistake is probably a good one. We all have to start somewhere, and thanks to these forums and others like it, we can learn from the advice of those who know a few more things and shave years of trial and error off the learning curve...
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Post by oos3thoo on Feb 14, 2008 5:09:58 GMT
If it counts, I think it is pretty cool. I used a blade made from the stainless steel wallhanger with a handle made of duct tape and I can chip wood of a plank. I find it really strong. I don't plan on using it for reenactment but it is good enough for bottle cutting. I think your sword will do just fine for a light cutter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 6:02:35 GMT
Seth: I thought better of you than that, for someone who practices ninjitsu I would have expected more.
As to welding a tang to a blade, that has already been hammered to death so I won't get into it further, suffice to say that it is unsafe at best.
These blades that you are making and using are not toys and should not be treated as such, these are weapons that will kill you if you act incautiously with them. When I got my slasher I wanted to go out and cut down trees and bottles and things but I refrained from doing so because without a handle it isn't safe and yes still safer then a welded tang or a stainless blade with a handle made of duct tape. When you collect and handle weapons you should treat them with a great deal of respect and a little bit of fear.
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 14, 2008 6:10:44 GMT
You misunderstand, you may think it is solid, and it might feel solid, but there is no way, NO WAY it is. You can tell yourself, and try to tell everyone it is, but it isn't, chalk it up to beginner mistakes, and start over. I took your advice. I cut the SS handle off of the good steel blade. But I am still going to need advice on the making of the handle.
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Post by oos3thoo on Feb 14, 2008 6:31:26 GMT
Seth: I thought better of you than that, for someone who practices ninjitsu I would have expected more. As to welding a tang to a blade, that has already been hammered to death so I won't get into it further, suffice to say that it is unsafe at best. These blades that you are making and using are not toys and should not be treated as such, these are weapons that will kill you if you act incautiously with them. When I got my slasher I wanted to go out and cut down trees and bottles and things but I refrained from doing so because without a handle it isn't safe and yes still safer then a welded tang or a stainless blade with a handle made of duct tape. When you collect and handle weapons you should treat them with a great deal of respect and a little bit of fear. As a ninja in training, you have to think like a ninja, and anything can be a weapon. But alas, that is aside from the point. I treat my POS duct tape handle sword like my masahiro sword. I am just as cautious. But when I was chopping wood, I was putting it to a destruction test at my own demise. I kinda assumed his sword might be able to handle bottles, but of course with some re-enforcement. Maybe I should have mentioned my idea for doing so first. But none the less, sorry for my idiocy.
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Post by oos3thoo on Feb 14, 2008 6:34:02 GMT
Maybe you could drill a hole in the stainless handle and toolsteel blade, then put a piece of steel on both ends, then attack them together with a bolt and nut on each hole. Would this work for reenforcement? It seems like an idea, but I really knew next to nothing of the subject.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 14, 2008 9:49:52 GMT
You misunderstand, you may think it is solid, and it might feel solid, but there is no way, NO WAY it is. You can tell yourself, and try to tell everyone it is, but it isn't, chalk it up to beginner mistakes, and start over. I took your advice. I cut the SS handle off of the good steel blade. But I am still going to need advice on the making of the handle. Hey Man How long is the length of the good bar remaining out of curiosity? What sort of handle so you want? Tsuka style, Scales (like a knife), or a grip like a sword (you can have a plate / washer with nut on the back of it. What tools do you have? A belt sander is really handy, an angle grinder would help, but the belt could do it all, almost. You can PM me if you want to discuss it. Also these pages are worth a look: Tsuka Style: /index.cgi?board=swordcustom&action=display&thread=1202730879 Sword grip style: /index.cgi?board=swordmaking&action=display&thread=1191051844&page=3 You could then grind the end of the tang down to a 1/4" cylinder and thread it for a nut / washer to secure the whole operation. A thread could even be welded there, as Hanwei are known to do. Knife scales:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 15:28:52 GMT
As a ninja in training, you have to think like a ninja, and anything can be a weapon. But alas, that is aside from the point. I treat my POS duct tape handle sword like my masahiro sword. I am just as cautious. But when I was chopping wood, I was putting it to a destruction test at my own demise. I kinda assumed his sword might be able to handle bottles, but of course with some re-enforcement. Maybe I should have mentioned my idea for doing so first. But none the less, sorry for my idiocy. AHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA that is great! Ninja in training LOL!
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