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Post by Paul on Apr 26, 2011 23:39:14 GMT
Gday all, I have been doing a lot of reading on the internet regarding swords, reviews, quality, historical importance etc. I’ve always been really interested in history and have always had an affinity for swords, probably encouraged by movies such as Gladiator, Kingdom of heaven and the original 300 Spartans etc. Ive decided to finally indulge my interest and collect my 1st sword, perhaps more. I really love the idea of not only having an authentic (well close to) historical sword but it has to be fully functional and balanced so when you hold it in your hands you can get a feel for how the Knights in the past may have experienced battle and the skill they must have possessed to wield such a weapon. I have read a lot of sword reviews from sword-buyers-guide.com and myarmoury.com and the two handed swords have really sparked my interest. I have narrowed my search down to 3 swords; 1. 1329 Medieval Knight Bastard Sword (Darksword Armory) 2. 1340 - 12th C. Medieval Sword (Darksword Armory) 3. The Crecy (Next Gen’) Limited Edition Medieval War Sword (Albion Swords) Ive read great reviews on both the 2nd & 3rd swords but havent found any user feedback about the 1st. the Bastard. I’d love to know what you all think about the 3 I’m considering and any advice is greatly appreciated. There is also a big price step up to the Albion Sword as compared to the Darkswords is the price worth it? I did note that the Albion swords are on average a bit lighter and use 1075 carbine steel. And for those that live in Victoria Australia, Im in the process of joining a sword club, but I’m not sure as to the storage requirements, would really appreciate some advice with this.
Cheers Paul
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Post by Greg on Apr 27, 2011 1:07:56 GMT
Welcome aboard Paul! Glad to have you with us. As for your choices, here's the breakdown. Darksword (DSA) makes a pretty rough and tumble sword. (this is actually meant as a compliment) They can take more abuse then a sword should take and they have some very attractive swords on the market. But the biggest complaint I hear about DSA is that they are a bit heavy, sometimes a bit too heavy. Keep in mind that a sword that was used in medieval Europe needed to hit the other guy before he could hit you. If you are slinging an extra pound through the air, then chances are that he'll hit you first. The price jump comes from the amount of research and refinement behind the sword. Albion has poured in a substantial amount of research into the weight distributions of their swords and I dare say that if you want to get as close to historically accurate, that Albion would be the way to go. The reason that all that research is important is that even if you have two swords that weigh the same and are of the same typology, the distribution of the weight can make them feel like two completely different swords. DSA started out making essentially sharpened crowbars. Over the years they have listened to the sword buyer community and have made vast improvements to their product. They still have an incredibly tough blade that weighs a bit more then it should but is well worth the price. Albion has been making close to exact copies of swords for years. They know what they are doing and generally anything you buy from them is spot on perfect. But you pay for that perfection. Also keep in mind that DSA doesn't sharpen their blades. Kult of Athena offers a $20 sharpening service... but I can't really comment on how good this is. Albion, if I remember correctly, sells all of their blades properly sharpened. So if you plan on joining the cutting part of the sword collecting community, having a properly sharpened sword out of the box helps. However, with this being your first sword, I'd hate for you to spend the $800 on the albion only to accidentally hit something you aren't supposed to. Most people make their decision based on price, but that doesn't seem to be an issue for you. In summary. Albion is as close to time-traveling as you'll get with their recreations. However, with the money you spend on one, you could get 3 or 4 other swords to see if you prefer one style over another. I really hope I helped a little, but looking back at my post, I've probably only made the decision more vague.
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Post by Paul on Apr 27, 2011 2:34:33 GMT
Hi Greg thanks for the advice.
Historical correctness aside as from my view point the swords in question are close enough for me. Would I be correct in saying that the swords of Darkswords are just as good a quality, strength and durability as the swords of Albion? Whereas the Albion swords may have the advantage of being better balanced? I really don’t mind paying for quality if it is there. Another cost issue seems to be the lack of a scabbard with the Crecy. Im also really hoping to get some user feedback regarding the 1329 Medieval Knight Bastard Sword, if anyone has one. Reads to be a good balanced sword, with a weight of 3lbs 6 oz and a balance point of 2.5”.
Thanks - Paul
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Apr 27, 2011 2:43:35 GMT
Albion swords brand new are tad over-priced in my opinion... That said... yes, there is a difference between them and the DSA swords... a HUGE difference. The Albion will be a far better sword in almost every single way... attention to detail, balance, fit and finish, histrorical precedent/accuracy... everything. The only thing the DSA might have over the Albion... and I say MAYBE... is durability. The DSA heat treatment is TOUGH... try to sharpen a DSA sword, the file almost skates off the sword... and they are a bit overbuilt making them solid re-enactor swords (what they were originally designed for) and beaters. So if you want something sword like that you can beat the crap out of... the DSA might have an advantage. However... if you are willing to spend the money... and want something as close to a true weapon of war as would have been made and used in the time when people trusted their lives to such weapons... go with the Albion, no contest.
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Post by bleachsword on Apr 27, 2011 2:58:11 GMT
The only thing I will add here is that that should not be a prablem if using a sharpening stone.
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Post by Paul on Apr 27, 2011 8:18:23 GMT
Thanks for your reply’s guys.
Id all but made up my mind to get the 1329 Medieval Knight Bastard Sword until i came across the Crecy. Didn’t really think there would be that much of a difference in the handling but from what you guys are saying there is a vast difference in all aspects. I’m now leaning towards the Crecy, just wish it had the option of the scabbard & belt.
Cheers Paul
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Apr 27, 2011 8:31:06 GMT
There is always this: www.christianfletcher.com/Christ ... watch.html Christian Fletcher uses a Crecy blade for this puppy... I want one badly. Also, you can get a decent scabbard made from The Custom Sword Shoppe in the 200-300 dollar range for your Albion Crecy. The Darksword Armory swords come with a pretty thick blunt edge... would take FOREVER with just a stone and no files to sharpen one. That said... I didn't mention how hard it is to file as a detraction... its a pain to sharpen one, sure, but I mentioned it to point out the TOUGHNESS of the steel.
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Post by Paul on Apr 27, 2011 8:55:24 GMT
Thanks Sean, very nice with all the options, same sword but different. But was hoping to buy from an Australia dealer so i can avoid all the hassle of filling in customs forms. Been looking at Ronin Swords who is located in Australia.
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Post by MOK on Apr 27, 2011 11:00:08 GMT
I'm with everybody else - DSA makes perfectly good weapons for their going price, but Albion is palpably superior in every way but cost. The physical differences are not huge, as such, but if you care about things beyond just being able to chop up unresisting targets, they are important. If you have the money, and truly want a sword as close as possible to the real historical weapons used in earnest by the fighting men of ages past, Albion wins hands down, regardless of the specific model. Most dealers can order stuff for you that they don't normally stock, even stuff from other dealers, taking care of the paperwork and possibly saving some shipping costs. It might be worth asking around. (BTW, the use of the word "dealer" should be a warning sign as to the nature of this pastime. Welcome to the Hotel California... )
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Post by Paul on Apr 27, 2011 23:39:59 GMT
Again thankyou all very much for your input, Ive also managed to get a great price from Adam @ ronin swords. Just have another query for those in the know, seems to be everyone but me - A question about the Crecy, and i have already emailed Albion and got a reply stating, "The pommels are hot peened in place" thankyou to Mike Sigman, fast reply. Does anyone have a photo of the pommel showing this, The only photos of the current model i can find show no sign, either it is polished to perfection to hide it or just bad photos. - Id also love to see a photo of someone with there hand on the grip, just to see if there is really space for 2 hands. - And just a general query from my original post. For those that live in Victoria Australia, Im in the process of joining a sword club, but I’m not sure as to the storage requirements, would really appreciate some advice with this. Thanks - Paul
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Post by MOK on Apr 28, 2011 0:10:23 GMT
The reviews here on SBG and over at myArmoury.com have some good photos - and yes, the peen is polished flush, practically invisible. No in-hand pics, though... so here's one courtesy of Google Image Search: And here's a YouTube video from our own Mike Harris:
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Post by Paul on Apr 28, 2011 1:19:26 GMT
Cheers thanks for that, don’t know why i couldn’t find those :/ Ready to go, just waiting on the sword club membership paperwork, so I can comply with Victoria's licensing requirements and get the storage issue sorted, seems to be quite a few laws I have to comply with. Then I can place my order thanks again
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