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Post by Student of Sword on Mar 12, 2011 21:50:43 GMT
Many of you probably have seen the "Space Bag" commercials. You put your clothes in, vacuum out all the air and you save a whole lot of space for storage. I am thinking about doing the same thing with my swords collection in May when I will deploy for six months. I will oil the swords, put them in their respective swords bag with a couple of silicone packs; and use the "space bag" to vacuum shut the package.
I already purchased the "space bags" and still waiting for them to arrive. I need to pack away all my clothing and beddings for storage anyway. But I heard that the system is not as air tight as they claimed and eventually air sip back in the bags. But most of the complains seem to have came from airline travelers. There are a whole lot of movement in flight as well as drastic pressure change. My bags will stay put in rental storage space.
Good idea? Bad idea? Thought?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 12, 2011 21:55:32 GMT
Good idea I'd think... it certainly can't HURT the swords... they will only be better protected or not much better but it won't be worse off. I think it will be fine. For long term storage you might consider something more like RenWax as opposed to the regular oil... but it sounds like your stuff will be well protected. An even better idea would be to send your swords to me, and I'll look after them, keep em oiled and loved while your gone...  |
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Mar 12, 2011 22:17:45 GMT
Who wants to place a bet on whether or not Student would get them back? :lol:
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Post by Greg on Mar 12, 2011 22:33:54 GMT
Actually, I would put money on him getting them back.
Granted, I've only known Sean through these forums, but even with that limited interaction, if I sent my swords to Sean, I would feel extremely confident that I'd get them back in exactly the same shape as I left them.
As far as the vacuum bags. I'm assuming you'll be storing the blades inside their scabbards? (Well, I suppose so else the blades would cut through the plastic. Dur) So a heavier product like Vaseline wouldn't be the best idea.
Since you have a bit of time, I'd highly recommend you contacting the folks at Militech-1 and at least getting a free sample to coat your most prized blade with.
But I'd say the limited exchange of moisture provided by tho's bags would certainly decrease the chances of any corrosion happening on your blades.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Mar 12, 2011 22:35:40 GMT
I know. I was just making a joke.
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Post by Student of Sword on Mar 12, 2011 22:37:05 GMT
I would trust Sean as well. And I am sure Sean would treat my blades like his own. But considering the number of blades I own, with the cost of shipping all my swords to Sean, I can buy another Atrim.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 13, 2011 0:30:51 GMT
Awww... thanks for the kind words SoS (My initials, oddly enough) and Greg... I was kidding, of course, but I take great pride in the reputation I have built up here by trading/buying/selling/reviewing swords... if I ever was asked to look after someones blades, they could be certain they would get them back in as good or better condition then they left them. Just based on the swords *I* know you have SoS, which is likely not even half of what you actually own, shipping would cost an epic butt load of money, yeah. |
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Post by ghost on Mar 13, 2011 0:41:46 GMT
lol. Steven o. Seagal is it? :lol: Feel free to send em to me SoS :twisted: We're practically related and live in the same state! ....just kidding. I don't even take care of my own blades...  |
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 13, 2011 1:02:29 GMT
You don't? Blade abuse/neglect is a crime ya know... better send em to me to take care of before the Government has to step in and take them from you. Once they are in the system they might get split up... at least with me they can still be a family.
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Post by chrisperoni on Mar 13, 2011 1:26:36 GMT
I sometimes go months without unsheathing certain swords and even with just plain old mineral oil on them they never have any rust. I also live in a very humid city (relative to other cities in Canada at least). I would expect the space bags would a very excellent job in keeping your blades in an even.consistent/constant environment which should mean the oil on them should stay put well too. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Post by MrAcheson on Mar 13, 2011 1:41:54 GMT
I got a bunch of space bags from my wedding registry. They leak and they're mostly crap. Also, I can't imagine fitting an actual sword in one because non of mine are anywhere near long enough.
Honestly I think you'd do just as well oiling them up and putting them in a good storage container with decent desiccant.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 13, 2011 1:53:19 GMT
I don't even take care of my own blades... [/quote] BLASPHEMY!!! CROM WILL CAST YOU OUT OF VALLHALLA AND LAUGH! |
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Post by Student of Sword on Mar 13, 2011 2:01:57 GMT
Leaking is the common complains I heard about the "space bag." They do come in jumbo size which is 42 inches long, long enough for most katana. If I put the sword in diagonally, it may even fit the longer European swords. My thinking is if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But I don't think it will harm the blades. And if let say it leak a couple months into my deployment, well, I gain a couple of months of protection. Of course, they are already in a container of some kind with silicon packs, so it is just an added security.
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Post by caferacer on Mar 13, 2011 3:19:40 GMT
I have used the "space bags" for a while now with great results, I have several of the small to medium size ones that I put dry warm clothes in and keep in the saddle bag's of my harley, once you roll out the air they take up very little room and when you open them everything is dry, even after weeks or month's of being left outside in my saddlebags through rain or shine and thousands of miles,
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Post by Greg on Mar 13, 2011 7:13:19 GMT
Ok people. He's not planning on using the space bags to store them at the bottom of a river. They'll be in a relatively dry environment and the space bags would prevent casual humidity from getting in there to do it's dirty work. He'd only have problems if it floods......
SOS, make sure you have something to elevate your swords off the ground while they are in storage! I don't know how flood prone the area is, but UGH, what a gut wrencher that would be.
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Post by wnydel on Mar 13, 2011 10:32:26 GMT
The one thing that occurred to me is where are they being stored? In your home (or someones home) or at a rental storage place? If it is rental storage, is it climate controlled (heating/AC)? Or just equal to whatever the conditions are outside? Might be a factor to consider?
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Post by chuckinohio on Mar 13, 2011 14:49:06 GMT
Well damn it all to hades, I guess it's plan B then :lol:
Way to keep it real Greg.
Outside of a hermetically sealed inert atmosphere chamber, you will be OK with the bags assuming that the swords are oiled or greased, and suffer no wild swings in temperature during storage. Cool dry place and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 19:49:19 GMT
I would remove the swords from their scabbards (leaving them in the scabbard may provide a humid environment) , oil or wax the blades, put desiccant (make sure to put in enough desiccant, otherwise temperature differentials might allow condensation to form if there is any moisture in the space bags) along with the swords into the space bags and leave the scabbards out (potential source of moisture). I doubt you would see any corrosion.
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Post by Student of Sword on Mar 14, 2011 1:48:49 GMT
They will be stored in a temperature controlled rental storage. I am ordering a gigantic plastic container (used for storing Christmas tree), all the sword will go in there (padding of course) with silicon gel packs. The "space bag" are merely additional security. It will be on the upper floor storage unit. I have valuable hand-made rugs/carpets that I need to protect as well.
I am pretty sure I will use Militec on my through hardening blades. But I am uncertain about using it on folded and differential hardening blades.
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Post by Greg on Mar 15, 2011 4:33:15 GMT
I was about to post that "steel is steel" but depending on exactly how Militec bonds with the metal, this might do funky things to your DH's. It's a shame that my order hadn't arrived by the time I left for my buddy's house. He's got a DH beater and I'm sure he wouldn't have minded being the guinea pig.
And heck, I didn't realize you were also putting them inside one of tho's plastic bins. The space bag seems almost silly after that... ALMOST. I know first hand the addiction to steel. It's only a matter of time before I get over my 'frill'o'phobia' and buy some blades that would be works of art, much like higher end DH kat's are.
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