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Post by wnydel on Mar 10, 2011 20:25:03 GMT
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 10, 2011 20:57:21 GMT
Tinker all the way
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Post by SanMarc on Mar 10, 2011 20:58:11 GMT
Well the Celtic is just a modern version of a Bronze/Iron age sword, Kinda like one of those kit cars that look like a Maserati! The Jian is pretty and specific in it use, the norman is going to give ya the best bang for you buck and use, But that's just my opinion, and I have now handled the Norman and it is a good sword.....Sanmarc.
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Post by Taran on Mar 10, 2011 22:19:14 GMT
The Jian is primarily for forms and light sparring.
If you want a cutter, stick to either the Celtic of the Norman. Of the 2, Id take the Norman in a heartbeat.
The Rodell Cutter is a Very nice cutting Jian from Hanwei. But if you want a Jian, do you own a Jin Shi, yet?
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Post by Sir Tre on Mar 10, 2011 22:57:09 GMT
my jin-shi cuts wonderful mat and bottle
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Post by wnydel on Mar 10, 2011 23:18:47 GMT
No, I don't own a Jin Shi yet. Been really considering what I should do here. Now I have two other swords to add to the mix. This is weird, but at first I was not seeing the Tinker Pearce Bastard or the Tinker Pearce Longsword at KOA, I swear they were not on the list earlier, now they are.
I think I am narrowing this down to the Norman, the Bastard and the longsword. Does anyone have opinions on these new 3 choices? I probably can't go wrong here, just trying to make up my mind.
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Post by frankthebunny on Mar 10, 2011 23:22:02 GMT
yeah, I don't think you can really go wrong there either. I am going to pick up the H/T bastard very soon. have the emshs and love it!!
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Post by Bogus on Mar 11, 2011 0:19:21 GMT
My thoughts, given that Hanwei's non katana/HT/Rodell products have a poor reputation so sticking with H/T plus the Rodell jian in case you want to go that route:
-The Rodell jian is definitely capable of cutting, but it's probably going to be a bit heavy for forms and such. I have one (though I know zilch about the traditional use of it), it's definitely "zombie ready" if you know what I mean but other lighter swords run circles around it. Even the Tinker bastard seems more maneuverable, but honestly that's saying more for Tinker than against Rodell.
-I'm not a huge fan of the H/T norman, frankly it seems like the weak link in the Tinker line compared to Viking and especially EMSHS. It is by all accounts a solid cutter though, a lot of people swear by it particularly since it's got the peened pommel thing.
-The H/T bastard is simply an amazing weapon, there's a reason everybody is madly in love with them. It cuts, it thrusts, it handles great one handed and even better two--really can't go wrong here if you're wanting a Euro. Note that, like most of the Tinker swords the grip is really thin and is likely to give you some trouble.
-The longsword is very heavily geared toward thrusting and WMA type stuff, obviously you can put a sharper edge on it but it's not really designed for cutting. It is primarily a two-handed sword and would be pretty unwieldy otherwise unless you happen to be Ahhnold.
So basically if you want to cut I would take the Norman, thrust the longsword and some of each the bastard.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 11, 2011 0:25:28 GMT
I had the CAS/Hanwei Celtic sword ages ago and did a review... its attractive and affordable... but its heavy slow and a chooper, like an axe. Also it needed extensive work done to the edge... it was dull as hell. The grip was a bit slim for my tastes... and and all, I didn't like it. If you really want that style sword... I recommend this instead: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... ltic+Sword Thicker grip, peened construction, and a great cutting edge right out of the box. Still handles like an axe tho.  The Jian in your link, as mentioned, is for forms and light sparing. Its not for cutting and is pretty fragile. The Norman. Bastard, and Longsword from H/T line are all great... I was most impressed by the Longsword out of that bunch. |
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Post by Sir Tre on Mar 11, 2011 1:17:07 GMT
actually the only reason i would consider it too heavy for forms is that too many CSA practice their forms when learning with the floppy wushu swords nowadays and cannot accustom themselves to a real sword. it is not about weight, but balance. for the size of the rodell balance is great. my jin-shi is balanced right too but since the blade is shorter, it feels different and lighter, but of course it is a shorter sword.
i dont blame the swordsmen, just their teachers for not teahing them swordsmanship with proper weight and balance swords. a blunt jian could be purchased of proper weight and balance... why dont they?
as for the adam tsujian ... it is for practice and not real swordsmanship.
too many learn taiji quan just for meditation and health and that has a lot to do with flimsy sword syndrome. i learned for health and wellness, actually phys rehab after bad accident... but my sifu taught the right way. the books that i use for my class as text book, are by Dr Yang Jwing Ming, and he mentions more than once about how the CMA is not being taught as it should, and only as a graceful exercise. the masters should be embarrassed by this.
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Post by chrisperoni on Mar 11, 2011 1:38:12 GMT
Order of my preference Longsword -actually a better cutter than expected Bastard- well loved for good reason Norman- not sure why it's low on everyone's hanweitinker lists Truth is they are all good swords overall- I personally prefer the take down assembly to peened. Here's a link to a thread where TInker explains about his creations: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2649excerpt (I added the underlines): "NOTE: All of the swords in the Tinker Line are suited to cutting typical modern targets when properly sharpened.
Longsword: This is a cut-and-thrust sword designed specifically for HEMA practitioners of system's like Fiore de Battaglia that include the use of the longsword. It is intended to be used primarily with two hands but is handly enough for single-hand use. The sword is designed as an all-arounder for both armored and unarmored combat. Given that the armored combat techniques in HEMA for longsword include half-sword thrusts at portions of the body covered by mail (armpits etc.) the sword had to be pretty rigid with a dagger-like point so it is a bit more specialized towards thrusting. Nonetheless when properly sharpened it cuts very well indeed. Suited to the period of the Late 14th-15thC. My Favorite of the current Tinker Line.
Bastardsword: Another cut-and-thrust sword. Smaller people have found it well-suited to be a longsword stand-in for HEMA that include the longsword. A bit more oriented towards cutting it is still rigid enough to serve reasonable well as an 'all-arounder,' but it is notably less thrust-specialized than the longsword. Like the Longsword this sword best suits the 14th-15thC. Most people will find this better for one-hand use than the Longsword.
The Norman Sword This is a late-Viking/Early Medieval era sword of the type in use at the time of the Norman conquest of England (late 11th C.) give or take 100 years. Intended for use with a kite shield for defense it is a specialized cutting sword- though of course capable of thrusting against un-protected targets. The blunt version of this sword was designed for re-enactors rather than martial artists and is made to their standards." |
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Post by wnydel on Mar 11, 2011 14:24:45 GMT
I have decided on the Longsword, due to general recommendations about the HT product line and also due to Sean's and Chris's recommendations. Thanks again to everyone for your help.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 11, 2011 17:19:33 GMT
I think you'll dig it... I really liked the H/T longsword. I had one... and I sold it as my collection went more 'upmarket'... but I really miss it and had a very hard time not buying another after the recent sale. My favs in the H/T line are the Longsword, EMSHS, and then the GSoW.
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Post by Greg on Mar 11, 2011 17:52:24 GMT
Oddly enough Sean, tho's are the only H/T's I own.
But what did you replace the Longsword with? I have yet to find another longsword that would even come close to handling the way Tinker's does.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 11, 2011 17:55:39 GMT
An Albion Regent... as you can imagine, it more then fills the bill. For the money tho.. especially when it was on sale for less then 130... the H/T longsword is a stupid good deal and I almost bought another one. I kinda wish I had now, to do it as a project sword.
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