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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 20:04:29 GMT
Hello! After doing some research I am now seriously looking into buying my first real sword. I found a sword on the Kult of Athena website that I am interested in, but given my lack of experience in this area, I am hesitant to pull the trigger. Here it is: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2372&name=Hanwei+River+Witham+SwordI have a few concerns about this sword. First of all, why is it only $109.95? That seems rather cheap to me. Also, it says in the description that the blade is "sharp," but does that mean that it is sharp enough to cut with? I'm not very good at sharpening swords yet... I've practiced on a few stainless steel wall hangers, but I wouldn't want to attempt sharpening a real sword yet. Anyways, bottom line: do you think that this would be a good beginners sword or am I way off here? Any input would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 15, 2011 20:12:48 GMT
Don't necessarily trust Kult of Athena when they say it's "sharp". That mostly means you can stick something and a hole will appear; it doesn't mean that the edge will cut things. Hanwei is notorious for blunt edges on their Euro swords.
That sword is part of the original "CAS Iberia" line of European swords, and they aren't the best out there. Most of the advice you'll get from this board is to save up and grab one of the Hanwei/Tinker line (the longsword, Early Medieval Single-Hand, Viking, Norman, Great Sword and Bastard), or go for the higher price point and get something from Valiant Armoury's Angus Trim Practical swords.
Good luck and do let us know what you end up with!
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Post by Maynar on Jan 15, 2011 20:28:23 GMT
Hanwei swords like the River Witham typically come with a medium-sharpish edge. It may or may not require a touch-up to become a good cutter. Lots of advice is available here regarding sharpening, and KoA offers a sharpening service for $18 if you don't mind a secondary bevel.
As for the price, this is a line of Hanwei swords specifically aimed at the entry-level price market. I have a Hanwei Agincout sword from that same line and I like it just fine. It may not need to be sharpened to cut mats (I haven't yet) and it's not historically accurate (ricasso too large, among other things) but overall I'm quite pleased. Excellent bang for the buck, this line is a good place to find a beginner's sword. For a few dollars more, the Hanwei/Tinker line gives you some more/better options. What's your budget?
I have the River Witham on my wish list, simply because of the inscription on the blade and the triple fullers. But the weight (3 lbs 7 oz) gives me pause. That's pretty heavy for a single-hander. By contrast the Agincourt is 2 lbs 8 oz, nearly a full pound lighter and it still feels substantial when I dry-handle it.
You may want to consider some lighter options in this line like the Agincourt, the Henry V (2 lbs 14 oz) or the Hanwei War Sword (2 lbs 7 oz).
But if you're strong in the upper body, then you may not need to worry about the weight at all.
Welcome, and Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 23:40:40 GMT
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Post by Lunaman on Jan 15, 2011 23:49:26 GMT
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Post by Hiroshi on Jan 15, 2011 23:57:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 0:40:40 GMT
Thanks for the links!
Lunaman, I'm sure you're right, but why exactly are those swords better? I'm just curious. What makes them worth the extra $50-60?
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Post by johnapsega on Jan 16, 2011 0:59:33 GMT
They are far more like the way a real sword should be. In handling, and historical accuracy. Sorry for cutting in Lunaman and I apologize if this is incorrect or not enough.
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Post by Ceebs on Jan 16, 2011 2:49:28 GMT
The Tinker Pearce Sharpened Single Hand Sword that Lunaman posted would definitely fit in your price range. I think it would be an excellent starting sword, though the sharpness tends to vary. And by all accounts they handle better overall as well being more pleasing to te eye than the Iberia line.
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Post by johnapsega on Jan 16, 2011 4:16:10 GMT
The Norman would be a good choice as well. I love mine. Both the Norman and the viking would be good choices as far as fitting to the same time period as the River Witham. I may be mistaken but I am pretty sure that it was made around the same time that type X blades were in fashion. Though I may be wrong.
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Post by bloodwraith on Jan 16, 2011 4:39:00 GMT
Why are the H/T line better than the original line? Well because they are designed by Tinker to his specifications and he is a most excellent sword maker and he has a very firm grasp of the dynamics of swords. Also because swords have come ahead in leaps and bounds since the early days when the first Iberia (I believe) swords were first fabricated. I'd definitely choose a H/T over an Iberia, but it depends what you are looking for really? I mean, you have only specified a price range, if you give us more info we can help you more
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Post by Lunaman on Jan 16, 2011 4:42:37 GMT
John's quite right, though admittedly the hilt construction on these is pretty contemporary. In the spirit of providing a little more illumination, these swords are made by Hanwei's factory to the specifications and designs of Micheal "Tinker" Pearce, one of the foremost and most knowledgeable medieval swordmakers around (as Bloodwraith pointed out while I was typing this ). Tinker's personal pieces usually command prices of more than $1000-$1400. Because of Micheal's involvement, these Hanwei/Tinker swords have mass distribution, handling, and engineering on-par with high-performance reproductions and custom pieces, but are offered at stupidly low prices because of their spartan finish and factory-mass-produced nature. The fittings are plain-jane and the grips and scabbards are bare-bones, but you cannot find a better quality blade for under $200. If you notice on the info pages, they used to retail for about $150 more than the current prices and were considered good buys even then-- at the current prices they are an absolute steal. The huge jump in quality between the Iberia pieces and these more than justifies the $50-$60 price difference. They aren't perfect by any means--the edges are notoriously finicky and nowhere near as good as the blades they have been ground onto and the fittings and leatherwork are quite bland. The scabbards are NOT good. But as a beginner sword for less than $200 dollars? These knock the pants off of anything else in that price range. Now, I usually take it a step further and say that my personal recommendations for a beginner sword would be a Valiant Armoury practical, with superbly sharp edges and spectacular Leatherwork, and blades designed by another supreme swordmaker (Angus Trim) for less than $250. But the stretch from considering a $110 sword to a $150 sword is a bit less drastic than the stretch to looking at the next price bracket, and I meant to answer the OP's question about the Hanwei/Tinker swords directly first. VA Arming sword (brown)VA Longsword
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Post by Ilúvatar on Feb 17, 2011 4:18:31 GMT
I just got the Norman and I have to say, it rocks.
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Post by Hiroshi on Feb 18, 2011 4:48:05 GMT
congrats!
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Post by Ilúvatar on Feb 18, 2011 6:35:12 GMT
Thanks
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Post by TomK on Feb 18, 2011 8:15:39 GMT
I agree completely with the fellows before me who recommend the Hanwei Tinker line swords. I have handled a few of them and they have all been very good. at the prices they are selling at right now it would almost be criminal to pass them up.
Windlass has decided to return some of their most famous swords to the market. so if you miss the end of this sale you can look up the Windlass Ulfbehrt and some of the other newly returned Windlass models but even at the higher prices the Hanwei Tinker swords are the best in the price range.
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Post by Hairu on Feb 18, 2011 18:25:53 GMT
I have the EMSHS as well as the GSOW and they are both fantastic weapons that feel awesome in the hand and are incredibly well balanced the fittings arent super great but the blades are top notch for the price (though sharpening may vary) and much better looking than most of the iberia line IMHO
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