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Post by chuckinohio on Mar 13, 2011 14:01:04 GMT
No thundercats :cry:
:roll:
Thank the gods you drew the line John, my respect for you just increased immeasurably.
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Post by John Greybeard on Mar 13, 2011 14:04:05 GMT
Thanks, Chris! That puts the Orb pommel right in there for the longsword too! Excellent!!!
Talon, thats the Headless Horseman's sword, right? Some of my favorite movie sword twirling with that one! hahahahahahaha... jees, this list is getting pretty long... I love it!!! PM to you coming.
I feel ya, Chuck. Thanks for the support... hahahahahaha
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Post by Talon on Mar 13, 2011 14:19:35 GMT
thats the very sword i fell in love with that snake pommel as soon as i saw that movie,i seem to recall there was a custom version by albions custom shop at one point ,but i dont think i ever saw a finished piece
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Post by John Greybeard on Mar 14, 2011 3:27:40 GMT
Talon, PM to you re: the Hessian
Saito - I knew power rangers would be next.... banging head against wall...
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Post by chrisperoni on Mar 14, 2011 3:40:40 GMT
John,
Do you have some kind of formula or ratio or something to figure out what weight a pommel will end up being when you start with sculpey? Or wood?
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Post by John Greybeard on Mar 14, 2011 3:48:36 GMT
Yeah, Chris - sculpy to bronze = 1: 4.7, (steel and bronze are roughly comperable - .00 something difference) wood, not yet...
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Post by caferacer on Mar 14, 2011 4:56:01 GMT
well that answers my question so anything I make out of steel is going to weigh the same in bronze? that makes things easy
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 14, 2011 13:24:27 GMT
how about modified conan atlantean fittings for the hanwei viking sword?
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Post by Enkidu on Mar 14, 2011 16:46:45 GMT
I'm very impressed by your skills John, cant wait to see what you'll come up with next ! When your sculptey model is done, how do you proceed for the transfer in Bronze ? Do you make a plaster mold out of it ? Is there other metals you would consider using other than bronze ?
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Post by frankthebunny on Mar 14, 2011 17:08:06 GMT
I love this sword! I should have picked up the carbon steel version when it was around, can't seem to find one now.
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Post by chrisperoni on Mar 14, 2011 17:27:48 GMT
Cool! +1 for that. I love me some sculpey- I used to make all kinds of stuff out of it and the FIMO brand stuff, so that'll really help me in modeling and sizing the pommel I want to try to make. I'll still be getting something from you though, I'm sure So do you do any lost wax casting anymore or is sculpey just plain better to work with? How do you make your mold with the sculpey- in 2 halves or something? I took several years of jewelery design and I sure do miss carving wax but man was it a pain to fix a mistake.
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Post by Enkidu on Mar 14, 2011 18:18:33 GMT
Hey,hey, i guess we are two who want to know !
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Post by John Greybeard on Mar 14, 2011 20:25:05 GMT
Hey, who am I to deny inquiring minds? Even if its only two of 'em...
First you have the model - made of sculpy, or clay, or carved wood or whatever material works for you. Then a rubber mold is made of the aforesaid model ( yup, Chris, usually 2 parts). Wax is poured into the rubber mold, pulled out when cool, any casting flaws fixed and then wax "plumbing" (for the metal to flow thru) is affixed to the wax model. Wax model is either dipped in ceramic slurry (7 to 15 times, to build up the thickness) or put in a metal flask and an "investing" plaster poured in around it. Either way the resulting plaster or ceramic mold is then put in a furnace where the wax is melted out of it - hence "lost wax". This results in a ceramic or plaster mold that is then cooked a little more and, finally, molten bronze is poured into it. Carefully chip the mold material off the cooled metal (that "cooled" part is important, got a few scars from trying to rush things hahahahaha).
And after all that... you get to "chase" (cut off the plumbing, grind down any surface flaws, fix any casting flaws) the metal to its finished form.
See why I love my job?
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Post by Major, Cory J on Mar 15, 2011 0:38:35 GMT
Any chance for a Irish Ring pommel and Guard with Celtic designs on a the future agenda? (Also, if I had the ability to draw creatively and not just "stick men" I would have put a design in long ago.)
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Post by John Greybeard on Mar 15, 2011 1:53:26 GMT
Yeah, Chris, working wax takes kind of an acquired touch/technique, pretty much only comes with time working at it... Its hilarious at the foundry when artist/clients want to do their own wax chasing, but have no experience with it - but, hey, they're the big time artist, right?? Some of them recognize how bad they've F'ed up their piece and ask for help; others, well, we just wait till they leave and then we fix it...
Yes and yes, Major. Ring should be easy on my part, maybe not so much on your part... to look right the H/T tang will need to be ground/filed down a bit where it shows thru the ring...
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Post by chrisperoni on Mar 15, 2011 2:08:36 GMT
Duh! Facepalm... I forgot you would be making a rubber mold to reproduce the wax casting- of course- since you're not just making one pommel.. :oops: I kept thinking "how's he going to get the sculpey out of the plaster?"
I see. We would usually just start with carving/shaping the wax then if just making a one off of the item we would proceed right to setting in plaster with the appropriate flues- most of the time. Sometimes my teach would let a student just figure it out on their own if they refused help, which usually left them with half a casting and a bunch of tubes of metal sticking out of it.
I was the only one who tried to make a rubber mold to be able to reproduce the same item over and again but I had trouble getting that right. Of course I blame the super old rubber compund chemical kit we had, no way could it have been my fault..ha!
We made much smaller stuff like rings most of the time. I really miss it. Took the class in grade 10. My school only had the one course but I asked to take it again in grade 11 and just 'make up' my own more advanced projects, and then in grade 12 I took it again with a new teacher (last one retired) and sort of showed the new teach what the class was all about.
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Post by John Greybeard on Mar 15, 2011 2:22:12 GMT
Damn, Chris, you were doing all that in High School?!?? I'm jealous - in high school all I did was chase skirts (as opposed to actually catching any hahahahaha ) and beer til I got kicked out and sent south to military school... and creativity was considered, uh, "sissy" down there. Dimwits never heard of the samurai warrior poets, I guess...
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Post by chrisperoni on Mar 15, 2011 3:42:23 GMT
Ahh, lemme reminisce a bit...
I had it pretty good at my highschool; our Industrial Ed. wing was huge. 2 full sized wood shops with every toy under the sun (I loved the lathes best. I could go on for days about the wood shops- my 2nd home), a 3rd wood shop converted/used for plastics work, auto shop, electronics shop complete with the crazy been electrocuted one too many times teacher, and a wicked metal shop with mig welders, a spot welder, centrifuge, oxy acetylene torches, more (metal) lathes, and all kinds of other equipment including specialty tools for jewelery making.
My metal shop teacher Mr. Stephens had over the years developed jewelrey as his his hobby and tricked out the shop to that end. He was the one who had the class approved and ok'd by the schoolboard. What a great guy- one of those teachers you actually respected and listened too- real old school and a fountain of sarcastically delivered knowledge. Actually all the shop teachers were great. Maybe it was because I gave a damn that they treated me well and fair.
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Post by ghost on Mar 15, 2011 4:09:05 GMT
if I interpreted John right, the career choice was highly influenced by a chance at "hands-on" classical arts? Chris, I'm really envious. Now only if blacksmithing came back as an elective...I wouldn't even mind sitting in there with the rest of the kids. :?
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Post by Major, Cory J on Mar 15, 2011 7:17:50 GMT
I had an Idea about that. Forgive my poor "drawing" skills, I can just barely work Windows Paint. The solid gray is the tang and the threading, while the dotted gray is the nut. Its kind of an X-ray view.The brass Ring pommel will have a sleeve that covers that said area of the threads thus coving them and keeping everything pretty looking. The sleeve wouldn't be a separate piece, but connected to the ring. Obviously its not to scale, but was possibly a feasible (at least I think so?) idea. I still don't have a full grasp of how you even make these beautiful pieces so this may just be impossible, I just don't know.
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