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Post by Kilted Cossack on Jan 17, 2011 15:06:38 GMT
Oh yeah!
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Post by Enkidu on Jan 18, 2011 19:55:36 GMT
I just stumbled on this thread... John this is one great idea. Viking,longsword, greatsword and arming sword fittings, wow.. imagine how this can become an interesting project ! As mentionned earlier an octogonal pommel for the longsword would be great, or a fishtail ! Viking fittings... so many possibilities there... keep us unformed John Ideas just started to kick in...
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Post by frankthebunny on Jan 18, 2011 22:49:37 GMT
wow Luka, she's a beauty!
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Post by johnapsega on Jan 19, 2011 5:20:09 GMT
I love this idea and I think that the 50-80 dollar price range would be great. Is there anyone who makes and leather wraps grips without needing the sword? I have been wanting one of the H/T EMSHS's and this came along at just the perfect time. When are we looking at this becoming available?
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Post by Sir Tre on Jan 19, 2011 11:41:25 GMT
you would need someone who can work from a tracing and thickness measurements
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 19, 2011 19:43:28 GMT
John,
If you like, I'll see what I can do about posting some of my designs online in the next few days. I have a fair selection of pommel designs... been sort of collecting a catalogue of existing designs, and a few of my own to boot!
Am I correct to understand that you intend to make fittings for all the H/T blades, not just the longsword and bastard? In that case I may need to revise my Viking design, it was for a much broader blade with a long and wide fuller...
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Post by John Greybeard on Jan 21, 2011 21:43:28 GMT
Again, Thanks, guys, for all the positive feedback! Now, my only concern is that I seem to have opened a floodgate of interest before I've got the product to satisfy... Of course, that was my reason for asking - to see if interest would justify the project. Seems I definitely got my answer on that! So now, to work!
Bringing the first pieces out will probably take around 4 to 6 weeks - prototype, rubber mold, wax, ceramic shell mold, cast metal, finish metal... its no small process, start to finish. My intention is to do fittings for the entire H/T line of blades. But since the H/T Bastard sword seems the most popular of their line (and since I have one... hahahahaha) I'm going to start with it. So I'm now officially open to suggestions from anyone that has an interest in new furniture for theirs, as to what style guard and pommel I should do first. Majority rules on this one. Vote early and often, as they say...
So, Aaron, the octagonel pommel seems to have a head start!
Enkidu, fishtail pommels are definitely in the works too ( my personal leaning)
Johnapsega, Sir, I think that the same consistency of specs thats allowing me to do this with the furniture should also work for the handles/grips - the tang on one EMSHS should be the same as on any other EMSHS, so a standard grip size should be achievable and quite workable. Just needs somebody to jump on that idea - like I expressed above, my hands are going to be full for a while...
Elheru Aran, I'd be extremely jazzed and appreciative to see your collection and designs - Thanks! The Viking blades are very high on my to do list - a whole lot of opportunity to get creative with the style, eh?
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Post by ghost on Jan 21, 2011 21:53:31 GMT
I'll vote with Aaron for a oct. pommel. If no one nominated a guard...something similar to the flared guard on: ![](http://www.kultofathena.com/images/ANH23.jpg) it's an albion gallowglass Irish; I'm not advocating to copy the guard, but something along these lines would look great.
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Post by Aaron on Jan 21, 2011 22:08:48 GMT
In case anyone with a H/T Bastard was curious, type XVIIIa's historically can be found with any combination of pommel/crossguard, though logically wouldn't be found with viking-period fittings or a cat's head pommel, etc. Though if one doesn't care much about historical accuracy, it would be cool as hell to see some anachronistic or fantasy fittings on it.
John, I've got a Fullered Bastard now, and would go with the same type of fittings that I'd like on the EMSHS. Style 2 guard and l1 pommel, both octagonal.
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Post by Major, Cory J on Jan 22, 2011 2:37:55 GMT
Hmmm ghost seems to have missed a major aspect for a request. THIS POMMEL!!! ![](http://www.kultofathena.com/images/ANH23.jpg) If I could get new hardware for a H/T Sword, I would buy a couple H/T swords just to upgrade them as I like the blades, but their furniture doesn't quite do it for me.
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Post by chrisperoni on Jan 22, 2011 3:59:39 GMT
I'm lovin' this idea! I really want to make my own fittings for my EMSHS and Longsword but if these turn out as cool as it sounds I just might have to jump onboard. Here's some measurements I put together for a past post- comparing tangs on my 2 blades. Anyone else want to start measuring theirs to see how close it compares? "Here's the dimensions I have for 2 swords. Measurement at shoulder is right from the top of it, just before it begins to curve into the tang.![](http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv94/too-many-pets/IMAG0103.jpg) ![](http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv94/too-many-pets/IMAG0101.jpg) ![](http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv94/too-many-pets/IMAG0100.jpg) So the EMSHS is only 1/8" wider right at the top of the shoulder than the LS. This might not seem like much more but you also have to consider how acute the taper from the shoulder down is, when compared to the EMSHS."And here's part of an email from Tinker himself where he gave me weights for the longsword furniture: Tinker answered:
"8-1/2 to 9-1/2 oz. for the pommel should be fine, Guard should weigh 6-10 oz. (this is less critical) Tinker"
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Post by John Greybeard on Jan 22, 2011 5:38:33 GMT
Ghost, that Gallowglass guard is awesome. Excellant inspiration! Thanks! And vote counted. Aaron, I appreciate the historical insight as to appropriate fittings for the Bastard, especially since you're advocating a little anarchic creativity to go along with it... I like the way you think... hahahahahahaIs this the cross you're thinking of? Octagonally? credit for this drawing to Nathan Robinson's excellant MyArmoury article on Ewart OakshottVote counted for the ring pommel, Major. I like that. Would be pretty easy to get to metal... Thanks for the information, Chris! Especially the specs from Tinker! Very helpful! As for the dimensions from the different swords tangs, I'm planning to take an impression directly from the actual blade of each type. I want the "seat" recess for the blade to be as close to exact as I can make it. So unless I can sell enough of the first blades' fittings to aquire the H/T blades I don't have, I might be asking to borrow some blades to work from (for a special consideration on fittings for said blade, of course...) But thats a ways down the line. I'm really begining to wish I could somehow devote full-time effort to this project. Maybe I should try to get a Foundation for the Arts grant or something... hahahahahahaha
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Post by chrisperoni on Jan 22, 2011 5:59:06 GMT
Good stuff. What would you make the impression in? edit/add: Thought you might want Tinkers email: theswordgeek@gmail.comI've found him to be exceedngly easy to talk with and very approachable.
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Post by John Greybeard on Jan 22, 2011 6:31:11 GMT
Thanks, Chris. I guess I should probably have spoken with the Man before I even opened this thread. Respect and all. I'll do that tomorrow.
Direct impression will be either into wax or super sculpy polymer clay, haven't decided for sure yet, but probably the sculpy. Its very nice to shape/model into rough shape while its soft and then sand/carve the final contours and details when its hardened. And you can pull a good rubber mold from it, too.
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Post by Aaron on Jan 22, 2011 7:21:20 GMT
Yeah that's the style guard I had in mind. The dips and swells in Nathan's drawing are a bit more exaggerated than the subtle curves I usually see on those guards (think Albion Knight/VA Crusader guard).
Personally I'm more interested in a historically accurate/plausible look to my swords.
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Post by chrisperoni on Jan 22, 2011 15:40:30 GMT
I just figured you might want to pick his brain; no worries 'bout resect I'm sure he'd have no problem with this project being that the bare bades are advertized as great project blades.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 15:26:05 GMT
Great Idea John! I hope you sell enough fittings to make it a good venture. I already mounted up my HT longsword blade with alternative fittings or I'd be on board too. On the other hand, I have a Albion type X blade laying in my shop waiting for the right set of fittings to come along. When/if you get around to those I'll be watching to see what you come up with. Good luck on this project.
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Post by John Greybeard on Jan 24, 2011 10:31:04 GMT
I like the phrase "historically plausible", Aaron. There's a definite value to maintaining a cultural continuity without being limited to re-creating known archeological artifacts. Not that there's anything wrong with re-creating documented pieces - actually, I like that too - its just not what I want to do in the workshop. I certainly wouldn't mind owning a few skillfully wrought museum piece re-creations (anybody say Albion?)...just don't want to make them...
I haven't heard from Tinker yet, Chris. But I'm hoping he's OK with my jumping into his pool, so to speak. After all, Angus does have Christian, right? Not that I'm in any way putting my work on the same level as CF's, its just sort of the same idea.
Thanks, Maz! If you do see something you like, once I'm up and running, let me know and I could probably cast a version of the piece(s) you like to specifically fit your Albion blade. And how about that, an Albion Type X blade "just laying in the shop"... life is good, Brother! hahahahahaha
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Post by Aaron on Jan 24, 2011 10:50:51 GMT
Yeah, historically plausible is the way to go, IMO. Unless the piece is specifically trying to recreate an antique, I tend not to be too buggered about accuracy. As long as it fits the general typology and has fittings pretty well in line with the time period (no XIX blades with viking fittings, for example), then it's about as accurate as I desire.
I can't speak for Tinker, obviously, but I don't see why he'd mind. He does get a commission for each of the blades that sell, after all. And it's not like there's any copyright infringement, since you're not copying anything of his or Hanwei's.
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Post by chuckinohio on Jan 24, 2011 14:52:19 GMT
I don't see how anyone could get too upset over your idea John.
It's up to us to come up with a donor blade, you are just supplying the accoutrements. If anything, I would think that Tinker would be for it, as it would increase the sales of his blade designs.
Perhaps if you were selling complete units that competed with Hanwei and their rights to the design it would be a different story, as is, I think that it will be OK.
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