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Post by Elheru Aran on Dec 22, 2010 20:40:20 GMT
Been thinking about my next sword, and fairly sure I want to go with a H/T Viking or Bastard. However, I'm a bit conflicted on the bastard, mainly because I'm not sure which version to get. It'll be as much a display sword as a cutter. However, both are aesthetically similarly appealing to me. Which one, then, performs better in general?
Thanks for your input!
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Post by ghost on Dec 22, 2010 20:51:57 GMT
likely the fullered bastard. (besides you can engrave inside the fuller later on).
In terms of cutting,[the fullered has] a slight edge [over the other] since the cut materials do not have to drag across that extra metal of a un-fullered blade.
The unfullered version is only 2.8 oz heavier or .175 lbs approx. so you won't even notice the difference by much.
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Post by chuckinohio on Dec 22, 2010 22:16:37 GMT
IIRC Tinker himself said that the fullered bastard was the better performer and was designed as such.
I believe that TomK was the one who had this info originally from Tinker, maybe he can clarify.
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Post by Aaron on Dec 22, 2010 22:29:31 GMT
The fullered bastard was designed to be a better cutter. It is more of a true cut-and-thrust than the unfullered version. I believe the unfullered one will thrust better, but the H/T Longsword makes the unfullered bastard a bit redundant. Personally, I would go with the fullered version, because I find it more aesthetically pleasing and I enjoy the slight edge (pun most definitely intended) toward cutting. I own a fullered bastard customized by Valiant Armoury and it is my favorite sword.
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Post by TomK on Dec 22, 2010 22:53:21 GMT
Tinker had an article on his site a while back that said he designed the fullered version to be a better cutter.
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Post by Luka on Dec 23, 2010 1:27:37 GMT
That can't have anything to do with fullered bastard being the better cutter because fuller is short and you don't cut with that part of the blade. If fullered bastard is a better cutter, there are other reasons for that.
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Post by ghost on Dec 23, 2010 1:34:47 GMT
Hmm did that come out sounding weird?
Anyways, I meant to say that the unfullered blade has a larger plane for materials to rub against.
Picture it like wind trying to pass over a mountain twice as tall but with the same slope. (unfullered)
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Post by Lunaman on Dec 23, 2010 1:36:53 GMT
Yea, but the fuller doesn't reach to the cutting area, ghost--Luka makes a great point. The fuller on the bastard changes the mass distribution of the blade, not the geometry of the cutting area. See? The fuller doesn't reach far enough down the blade.   |
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Post by ghost on Dec 23, 2010 1:40:52 GMT
Ah I see what you guys mean now; I have a bad habit of also cutting way below the poc  Yea, good point Luna also was thinking about my HT viking at the same time...such a small fuller, gotta get me that Saxon.  yea...half my bottles get batted away before anyone jumps in on it ... lol :lol: |
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Post by TomK on Dec 23, 2010 1:51:27 GMT
yeah it's about mass distribution
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Post by LittleJP on Dec 23, 2010 3:05:15 GMT
Comparing the longsword to the fullered bastard, it seems the bastard's POB is farther down, and has more blade presence. The word to describe it is "compressed" I have not put a decent edge on it yet, but I'd imagine it's somewhat a better cutter.
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Post by Tinker Pearce on Dec 23, 2010 15:53:10 GMT
It is indeed about mass distribution- the fullered version has a bit more 'blade presence' and is a bit more focussed on cutting than thrusting. Also if the main role is esthetic I think the fuller adds some visual interest to the blade.
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Post by chrisperoni on Dec 23, 2010 16:26:02 GMT
there ya go- can't beat an endorsement by the Tinker'r himself. Fullers are good looking and do good stuff for this swords cutting
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Post by RicWilly on Dec 23, 2010 18:02:03 GMT
Yeah, I'm liking the look of the fullered bastard myself. It was a hard choice between that and the single hander and I couldn't really justify both. However my birthday is in a couple months, hmmmm.....
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Post by TomK on Dec 23, 2010 18:52:27 GMT
I really liked the handling of the fullered bastard I reviewed, but I am definitely more of a single hand sword guy so I still prefer the EMSHS but there's no doubt the fullered bastard is a good sword.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Dec 25, 2010 1:38:54 GMT
So my next question is... how come KoA is selling the unfullered for $139, the longsword for 159, but the fullered bastard for 164??? Both the longsword and the unfullered are 'specials'... why not the fullered version? This is rather annoying, to say the least...
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Post by TomK on Dec 25, 2010 4:09:09 GMT
my guess is that the fullered one is more popular so they know they can get more for it.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Dec 25, 2010 22:47:19 GMT
Hmmm. So, seeing as the longsword is actually cheaper than the fullered bastard right now, is the longsword as good or better?
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Post by RicWilly on Dec 25, 2010 23:00:14 GMT
Depends on what you're going to do with it. I'm just guessing as I don't have one but I'd say the fullered bastard would be a better cutter.
I have the LS and it's a fine sword and will cut but is more thrust oriented.
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