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Post by Marc Ridgeway on May 29, 2007 0:17:12 GMT
Chopchop, I'd appreciate it if you didn't tell him to go shoot european swords instead of japanese ones. As you well know, we all share different favorites and in my opinion, a well forged european broadsword has no equal. I'd rather own a $700 albion over a $30,000 nihonto any day. As everyone said already, this sword was sent specifically to destroy it with guns. He bought the real shura to appreciate JSA as well as Lana. Sorry,I'm a little miffed that you just completely degraded my favorite swords. I know you like japanese styled swords and I respect your tastes, but I'd never go so far as to say "Go shoot japanese swords, european ones don't deserve that." I hope you understand Tell you what, you buy me this one , it's only 12.5K , and I'll get you 2 $700 albions. Get Keith to mount it for me, and I'll throw in a third www.moderntosho.com/sale/Yasumitsu.html
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 0:21:17 GMT
The European sword comment came from using something he holds dearly as you all know how my feelings on katanas are ! Swords deserve RESPECT, not to be destroyed with firearms even if it is a second . It could still have been used to learn and teach a JSA. Maybe if he had of dropped it from a height; then tried with various targets that a katana would actually cut at; then a little "European sword vs Katana" duelling ; then maybe aflex test with a very large weight( i.e driving over it with a JCB), for instance , I felt would have been more appropriate.
Shootermike you know I respect you but as Katanas are my forte, and you DESTROYED it with a gun of all things, you can see why I am not too happy mate .
Whatever happened to the 9260 vs. L6 ?
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Post by ShooterMike on May 29, 2007 0:25:00 GMT
Our spats are starting to remind me of a management workshop I attended when we had some "reductions in staff." One of my coworkers came up with a Jimmy Buffet song that seemed to fit the mood. It seems appropriate here as well. The song talks about what to do when confronted with life's unpleasant disagreements. It goes like this (sung with in a soothing voice) "Breathe in, breathe out, move on..." Oh, and Adam just pointed out to me that this isn't a Shura. Can someone tell me which Cheness katana it really is?
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Post by ShooterMike on May 29, 2007 0:33:06 GMT
Maybe if he had of dropped it from a height; then tried with various targets that a katana would actually cut at; then a little "European sword vs Katana" duelling ; then maybe aflex test with a very large weight( i.e driving over it with a JCB), for instance , I felt would have been more appropriate. Chopper, I would just point out that I was asked to do this by Paul Chen of Cheness. If I hadn't agreed to do it I wouldn't have had the sword in the first place. Some seem to find it interesting and informative, or at least entertaining. That's the point of the test, to put something to constructive use that would have otherwise sat around the factory and rusted away, as the blade had some micro cracks that would have made it unsafe to use for most of the things you have suggested. Believe me, I did not enjoy performing this test or witnessing the results. Thus the "sick feeling in my stomach" comments. But doood.... Lighten up will ya?
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Post by admin on May 29, 2007 0:47:06 GMT
And for those of you playing at home - you might recall that Mike HAS tested a European sword in the same manner...
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Post by admin on May 29, 2007 0:52:56 GMT
Oh, and that sword is a Cheness Tenchi btw...
Same blade as the Shura, just prettier brass fittings. ;D
And yes, this blade would have indeed been sitting around at the warehouse - so it was put to constructive use.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 1:12:30 GMT
Arrgghh.. painful results!! ... hmm... I kinda fancy those 3 firearms you've got there, Mike Nice stuffs!! Juz too bad we're not allowed to own them in my country... SIGH~
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 1:13:14 GMT
I am not angry Shootermike, I pride myself with an understanding calmness that I try to use in such situations, This is Budo.
If the blade was as knackered as was stated, would not that devalue the whole point of the exercise ?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 1:16:53 GMT
If the blade was as knackered as was stated, would not that devalue the whole point of the exercise ? knackered. that is a great word. i'm bringing it to the states.
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Post by ShooterMike on May 29, 2007 1:23:34 GMT
And for those of you playing at home - you might recall that Mike HAS tested a European sword in the same manner... /index.cgi?action=display&board=forumcafe&thread=1170727959&page=1 Ah yes, just so. I put my own beloved "Gennie" on the line for this same testing, along with a Hanwei Banshee. And if I remember correctly, Clyde Hollis asked it I would be willing to do a similar shooting test on one of my Angus Trim swords...No thank you. I am not angry Shootermike, I pride myself with an understanding calmness that I try to use in such situations, This is Budo. If the blade was as knackered as was stated, would not that devalue the whole point of the exercise ? Good point. And if it had broken at one of those cracks then I would agree. But the fact that it didn't break would lead us to, at least in my opinion, hold this sword in even higher regard. To summarize, this says to me that I could strike any manner of hard surface with this sword, and those like it, with a reasonable expectation that even if the surface and the strike was so hard that it equaled the impact power of a .44 Magnum, the sword blade would not shatter or break. To me, that inspires a great degree of confidence.
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Post by rammstein on May 29, 2007 1:27:02 GMT
WIth all due respect chop chop, although swords do deserve respect, REVERANCE is a little high. Swords are weapons, nothing more nothing less. As far as I see it, shootermike simply sped up the damage that a sword can be expected to take by about 30 years or more in 15 mniutes
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 1:41:05 GMT
I am not trying to shoot your thread down Shootermike, and I am not trying to be elitest either. I own a Shura ko I got from Paul S., I know they are good blades. Shootermike you have been handling guns from a little under the age I was when I was first was taught Kenjutsu by an elderly Japanese neighbour. You ,of all people, have alot of respect for firearms so can probably understand the respect I have been taught for Shinken. If I was on a Gun forum and destroyed a firearm I sure most gunowner viewers would be a bit peaved ! I was not even allowed to handle a shinken for the first 5 years, but I bet you were not practicing your razorback hunting techniques with a wooden gun mate !
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Post by rammstein on May 29, 2007 1:43:45 GMT
If it was for something educational like durability and seeing how wel it was made AND it was an extra that had been sent specifically to be destroyed...I really don't think that anyone could be angry with that. I know well your feelings chopchop and that's why I was not going to go overboard about the european sword comment. You spoke rashly to defend the swords you love as I often do. Still, lets both try to refrain from that as we need to respect that not everyone has the same tastes. And marc, I'll do it if you buy me 17 albions
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 1:49:50 GMT
We all still love chop. He's a nice guy. We just need to get a gun into his hands. Chop, if you ever get to the States, drop by ShooterMike's and give it a try. You might find that you actually enjoy shooting. Perhaps a nice repro Japanese matchlock loyalistarms.freeservers.com/japanesematchlockcarbine.html?
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Post by randomnobody on May 29, 2007 2:05:44 GMT
I have only this to say: can I have your 1911? Please?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 3:06:14 GMT
We all still love chop. He's a nice guy. We just need to get a gun into his hands. Chop, if you ever get to the States, drop by ShooterMike's and give it a try. You might find that you actually enjoy shooting. Perhaps a nice repro Japanese matchlock loyalistarms.freeservers.com/japanesematchlockcarbine.html? Kriegeschwert, the problem is as well I am trained in how to handle firearms. There was a period in my life where I was trained to use them and I don't wish to elaborate on that mate, however what turned me off them was their impersonalness. To weild a sword against someone you have to look them in the eye so they understand your intention to cut them down. With a firearm, you can be up to a mile away and I find this a bit deceptive to your intention. I don't like as well being reminded of their destructive power, it brings back bad memories. The gun-using period in my life is well and truely behind me and thank god I don't have to rely on them anymore. Maybe I am too Chivalrous, but if I was to meet Shootermike in the US. I would be heading for the nearest bar, not the shooting range. I am not called "OL' hollow legs" for nothing you know ? ;D ;D
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on May 29, 2007 3:28:20 GMT
If it was for something educational like durability and seeing how wel it was made AND it was an extra that had been sent specifically to be destroyed...I really don't think that anyone could be angry with that. I know well your feelings chopchop and that's why I was not going to go overboard about the european sword comment. You spoke rashly to defend the swords you love as I often do. Still, lets both try to refrain from that as we need to respect that not everyone has the same tastes. And marc, I'll do it if you buy me 17 albions If you ask me you've already gone overboard about it. Let's face it, your keen to see the katana shot broadside, but completely offended at the suggestion of shooting a euro. Chop was in no way disrespecting you or Euro swords... he was merely suggesting that obtaining a katana espescially for shooting, when you have several euros at hand , is easily misunderstood. I don't think he knew it was an extra sent for that purpose. Still you fly off the handle, make disparaging remarks, etc.even after you have made disparaging kat remarks many times... Let it pass... everyone, let's just let it pass.
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Post by admin on May 29, 2007 3:35:05 GMT
Let it pass... everyone, let's just let it pass. I second that...! Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion. But when an opinion is irreconcilable - best thing to do is to simply let it go and move on - otherwise, well - we all know what happens...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 4:18:27 GMT
I have just karma'd you Shootermike. You must have put alot of effort into this thread and I don't want you to take my opinions to heart. I think you have admireable intentions and a lifetime of experience to share, and that is worth alot more than a pointless arguement. I'm sorry if I seemed a bit heavy handed on this thread buddy but as you can guess I am a rather passionate person. Have a jug of virtual-beer on me mate, you deserve it ! ;D
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Post by ShooterMike on May 29, 2007 4:45:45 GMT
Muchos gracias, compadre. All in good fun...and I am having a Tecate in a reconciliatory toast! ;D
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