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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 18, 2010 15:16:11 GMT
If this is in the wrong place, sorry- and move/tell me where to post- thanks
What does everyone think about 1060 spring steel vs. 5160 spring steel?
I have been reading up on both and I understand the composition differences, but I'm wondering what those who've used/worked both personally prefer and why.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 8:13:13 GMT
1060 you can get a Hamon, 5160 you cant. Hows that for your awnser....SanMarc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 14:28:07 GMT
1060= simple carbon steel with 60 points of carbon.
5160= carbon steel with 60 points of carbon, and the addition of more chromium. The chromium is to aid in the hardening of the steel, 5160 is pretty tough and will stand up to some abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 6:16:47 GMT
Chuck, does the chromium also work as a corrosion resistant, like in stainless? I'm assuming that the 5160 also might tend to be a bit more brittle then too? Or am I way off the ball here?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 6:31:38 GMT
Off base, If you have enough Cromium it will be stainless, then you would be right...SanMarc.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Sept 20, 2010 14:43:43 GMT
I haven't used 1060 but I've used1095, 1075, and 5160, so I don't know how useful a comparison this will be. The 5160 seemed slightly easier to machine, though since they came from different suppliers they may have come to me with a different level of hardness before heat treat. The difference was small and could even have been imagined. The finished blades I have in 5160 do seem to be slightly less prone to rust than the finished 1075 blades, again the difference is slight enough that it could be chalked up to other factors.
It's my personal opinion that different kinds of steel are more important in things like every day user knives. Where you might prefer a little extra edge holding or a little extra corrosion resistance, or a little extra toughness.
The heat treatment procedures will make a larger impact than a slightly different kind of steel on a sword blade. Given good manufacturing and heat treating, you'd probably never notice the difference in a sword blade made from 1060, 1075, 1095, 5160, 9260, or whatever. It could just come down to availability. Here in the states, 5160 is used extensively for automotive leaf springs so it's pretty easy to come by. In Australia, it's 9260 (or the approximate equivalent). Maybe in China it's 1060.
It's my suspicion that if someone is advertising the steel they use as a better sword steel than some other similar steel, it's probably just hype.
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 20, 2010 17:27:18 GMT
thankyou BB for the information- Just the kind of 'behind the scenes' info I was looking for +1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2010 23:17:37 GMT
1060 isn't a spring steel. (It can be spring hardened, but that doesn't necessarily make it spring metal) 5160 IS a spring steel.
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 23, 2010 4:00:14 GMT
1060 isn't a spring steel. (It can be spring hardened, but that doesn't necessarily make it spring metal) 5160 IS a spring steel. what does it mean to be spring hardened?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 4:17:03 GMT
1060 isn't a spring steel. (It can be spring hardened, but that doesn't necessarily make it spring metal) 5160 IS a spring steel. what does it mean to be spring hardened? Same thing as spring tempered. I should have said that, sorry. It is a hardness state of metal that makes it springy.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 24, 2010 1:37:31 GMT
Gus says that 5160 is a little more resistant to rust. it tends to spot or get discolored but it doesn't rust quite as readily as 10-series but it is still a long way from stainless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 3:05:31 GMT
I'm pretty sure that that is incorrect
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 24, 2010 3:39:39 GMT
KC katana can show hamon in 5160 but it is much less pronounced even after etching so I think the statement is fair, even if not really accurate.
also, doesn't James Raw uses a spring steel that is similar to either 5160 or 9260 I forget which. yes 5160 CAN show hamon but it tends to not show as well, and I have never heard of the more subtle activity showing in it.
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