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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 13, 2010 0:14:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 0:27:51 GMT
Whoa... both less than 30" blades and weighing in at over 4 lbs??? Either thats a lot of steel for your $$, or a lot of sword to try to heft one-handed...
Anybody out there swung either of these around?
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 13, 2010 0:43:44 GMT
(I should mention here that I have my own opinions on these guys, but I don't want to fill up this thread with my thoughts- after all I usually already know what I'm thinking ;D) ..but yeah- 4+ lbs look at this pic from a review of the exeter:
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 13, 2010 3:34:52 GMT
I noticed them on KOA. Weight seems too much. Anybody own one of these - come on - somebody bought one of these at some point in time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 9:11:03 GMT
There is a review of the Duke of Exeter here: /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=5511&page=1
After reading that and reading the stats on Kult of Athena I wouldn't touch that sword with a barge pole.
The Henry V is even heavier at 4.9lbs!!! I just cant see how I would get any enjoyment out of these.
They are cheap, but considering I got both my GSOW and Windless type XIV for a little over $100 more, I would just prefer to save my money and get something I’m going to derive some enjoyment out of.
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 13, 2010 10:56:43 GMT
Review says it all. Agree with KingRat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 12:09:03 GMT
I can see it now..."Why sir, what a neat looking sword shaped club you have there"...
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 13, 2010 12:54:11 GMT
After reading that and reading the stats on Kult of Athena I wouldn't touch that sword with a barge pole. I can see it now..."Why sir, what a neat looking sword shaped club you have there"... lol for both. -what kind of (carbon) steel for both?- windlass XIV, GSOW
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 13:33:02 GMT
When I look at the old VA and compaire them to the new VA's it really impressess me how far Sonny has taken the company.
chrisperoni, I've no idea what kind of steel the windlass XIV and GSOW is, beyond being carbon steel.
KoA now has the GSOW for $159
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Post by shadowhowler on Sept 13, 2010 13:41:23 GMT
All of the Hanwei/Tinker line swords are 5160 spring steel. As for the Windlass XIV... thats harder to say for sure, Windlass uses a lot of different steels and don't always make it clear which one is for which sword... but they almost always use 1060 and 1095 high carbon steels... so one of those is most likely. As for the older, PRE Sonny Suttles Valiant Armoury stuff... I'd take a huge pass.
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Post by sparky on Sept 13, 2010 20:53:23 GMT
I could use a good pry bar. Wow that thing is huge, I couldn't imagine holding on to that thing. Disclaimer: I have never owned one or held one. Opinion based solely on pictures and review.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 22:41:57 GMT
I could use a good pry bar. Wow that thing is huge, I couldn't imagine holding on to that thing. Disclaimer: I have never owned one or held one. Opinion based solely on pictures and review. I dont think you need to have handled a sword to know that a 4.9lbs single hand sword isn't going to handle very well
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 0:08:44 GMT
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 14, 2010 0:46:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure this is also made from 420j2- what does everyone think about this type of steel? (glorified stainless IMO, not truly deserving of being listed as carbon steel)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 2:34:04 GMT
The Valiant line medieval swords have never been bladed with 420j2. I am not sure how the rumor ever came about but I would think simply poor research. The Valiant and the Pre merger C.A.S. Iberia medieval swords were hand in hand with the the Valiant sources in the Philipines and you can still see that in the current budget C.A.S. Hanwei swords.
Why would anyone even be considering them? Cost is always attractive. Why would anyone wonder about the blade steel? Maybe look at the Valiant page for themselves.
There are some old threads at myArmoury when Sonny first popped up with looking towards the future and Gus at that time was quick to publicly contact him.
420j2 tends to run pretty soft but I recall Bill Tsafa beating up his tire pell with a United Cutlery knife handled katana. It is a popular steel for fittings and cheap knives. Keep in mind that not all steels by a name are not the same and maybe a deeper look into steels can be helpful. Buck has/still uses 420hc for quite well done blades and has for about half a century. what a difference care and a couple of letters make. I wouldn't jump to conclusions without doing some homework.
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 14, 2010 5:08:37 GMT
The Valiant line medieval swords have never been bladed with 420j2. I am not sure how the rumor ever came about but I would think simply poor research. The Valiant and the Pre merger C.A.S. Iberia medieval swords were hand in hand with the the Valiant sources in the Philipines and you can still see that in the current budget C.A.S. Hanwei swords. Why would anyone even be considering them? Cost is always attractive. Why would anyone wonder about the blade steel? Maybe look at the Valiant page for themselves. There are some old threads at myArmoury when Sonny first popped up with looking towards the future and Gus at that time was quick to publicly contact him. 420j2 tends to run pretty soft but I recall Bill Tsafa beating up his tire pell with a United Cutlery knife handled katana. It is a popular steel for fittings and cheap knives. Keep in mind that not all steels by a name are not the same and maybe a deeper look into steels can be helpful. Buck has/still uses 420hc for quite well done blades and has for about half a century. what a difference care and a couple of letters make. I wouldn't jump to conclusions without doing some homework. I searched many sites for this sword to compare- all described the steel simply as 'carbon steel' with no specifics- all except for: www.iloveswords.com/ME_HenryV_Sword.htmlexcerpt from their description: "Blade Material: 420 J2 expertly tempered high carbon steel, sharpened factory edge." -that's why I figured it was I've read up on steels before and brushed up on this steel for my own sake and found it to be described pretty much as you have- as I said it's only my opinion that 420j2 is should not be described as carbon steel..at least not when it gives the impression it's a different steel than it in fact is. I do understand that it is a carbon steel and the onus is on the buyer to understand the attributes of any steel. My concern is that when many other swords from the maker are described in detail and then this one is given a similar description, buyers are likely to assume it is the same. (side note: the pics of this sword all over the net show it to be a very white steel- like stainless- I know pictures have a lot of colour variety online, but it did make believe the 420j2 description) Of course I searched VA directly for this sword but I didn't find anything on it- maybe I didn't look hard enough (the closeouts section is broken when I click it) but I also contacted Sonny and asked him- he let me know it's a discontinued model but didn't explain specs. Since VA has improved so much from the old days I figured it would be unfair to assume this model was up the current standards. Then I posted here asking everyone else for input- and I agree with you that price is very attractive and that it is a VA sword still means something to me. Would you buy it at this price? or what would you get instead in the same range?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 11:18:58 GMT
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 14, 2010 15:38:43 GMT
Luka,
I have the following from your list and I like them all.
Hanwei Bastard Sword - Antiqued Hanwei Tinker Great Sword of War Tinker Pearce Sharpened Bastard Sword Tinker Pearce Sharpened Longsword Leuterit Viking Sword Sticklestad Viking Sword
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 20:11:10 GMT
Than you have a nice collection already.
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 14, 2010 23:50:25 GMT
Luka, I have the following from your list and I like them all. Hanwei Bastard Sword - Antiqued Hanwei Tinker Great Sword of War Tinker Pearce Sharpened Bastard Sword Tinker Pearce Sharpened Longsword Leuterit Viking Sword Sticklestad Viking Sword then you can spare one right? I'm just pm you my address ;D
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