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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 17:57:10 GMT
I wonder if this would change any minds as to whether or not it's appropriate. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 18:08:16 GMT
And to those that are mighty confused, there was a thread here a while ago about people posting vendor prices in a private classified, and recently someone posted a Paul Chen Bushido in the UK for well under UK prices (by a couple hundred pounds which is no small amount) and still got haggled publicly into selling it for lower. There's no real rule here about doing such on SBG, though most other forums ban public haggling or even posts of any kind not related to the purchase of the blade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 19:34:29 GMT
That picture is funny as hell. +1 from me.
As to price-haggling in the classifieds, I think that type of thing should be done via PM. It puts someone in between a rock and hard place. I've seen it happen a few times. Agreement or disagreement with one's prices should be a private matter between seller and tenative buyer.
Perhaps this is something that SBG should start moderating. Have you brought it up to anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 19:37:12 GMT
Ya-I remember that thread-I just think its bad form to stick your nose in somebody elses bussiness-if your not buying it-do a pm to the sellar,show a alittle respect thats all.My 2 cents.
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Post by Avery on Aug 16, 2010 21:25:22 GMT
Oh man, that is funny as hell!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 1:09:56 GMT
That picture is funny as hell. +1 from me. As to price-haggling in the classifieds, I think that type of thing should be done via PM. It puts someone in between a rock and hard place. I've seen it happen a few times. Agreement or disagreement with one's prices should be a private matter between seller and tenative buyer. Perhaps this is something that SBG should start moderating. Have you brought it up to anyone? The moderators know, at least one does that locked a thread that got heated. It doesn't seem they care much for moderating in this particular instance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 3:01:19 GMT
I would personally say that people should not hijack someone's classified to post a vendor selling at less.
It is just tacky.
A vendor buys at wholesale prices and can afford to drop prices to ridiculous deals. Classifieds are for people to sell their personal items which more often than not were bought at retail prices. If the classified is set at too high of a price then it will not sell and the seller might drop the price but it is their decision to do so.
If someone wants to point out that their is a vendor selling at lower price for a new blade I think they should send a PM to the seller politely making them aware but respecting if the seller keeps their price firm.
At the end of the day this only destroys the classifieds when people do this. It makes people selling dislike being put in the awkward position of deciding to take a big loss on their investment and it makes the buyers think people are trying to cheat them when the seller is just trying to sell based upon what they paid.
I will say it again
It is just tacky.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 3:15:33 GMT
There are a lot of things that I think should be moderated that have been really let slide, but the price arguing on someone's classified thread is a big offense if you ask me. In fact, actively stealing/diverting one persons clients to another business/individual the focus of a number of lawsuits out in the physical realm and I believe there are laws in place to protect businesses from things such as that. (Edited to add: I'm not telling people to sue. I'm just using that as an example of the severity of the issue.)
In the case of the forum, I can only hope that the offenses are either momentary lapses in judgment or misunderstanding. Informing a seller through PM is the way to go, but I think that PM doesn't really cross the minds of some of the members browsing the classifieds.
It's one thing to inform a seller about price competition, but doing so on someone's classified thread on a public webforum is almost like calling them a cheat and actively turning their customers away for them.
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Post by chrisperoni on Aug 17, 2010 4:04:43 GMT
No one with any sense or civility walks into a store and just starts announcing that a competing store has lower prices- just imagine the audacity..
"hey everybody! This shirt is half price if you go to this other store! Hey you selling this shirt; did you know I can buy this for way less somewhere else?"
If someone ever did, they would certainly be asked to leave.
However, advising a friend who was shopping or the store clerk that you found a lower price would be just fine. In fact most stores encourage this and will do things like price match because they want to know if they are not competitive.
If people would only put their actions into a real world (as opposed to cyber world) situation it becomes easy to see how not to behave.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 4:15:32 GMT
I would personally say that people should not hijack someone's classified to post a vendor selling at less. It is just tacky.A vendor buys at wholesale prices and can afford to drop prices to ridiculous deals. Classifieds are for people to sell their personal items which more often than not were bought at retail prices. If the classified is set at too high of a price then it will not sell and the seller might drop the price but it is their decision to do so. If someone wants to point out that their is a vendor selling at lower price for a new blade I think they should send a PM to the seller politely making them aware but respecting if the seller keeps their price firm. At the end of the day this only destroys the classifieds when people do this. It makes people selling dislike being put in the awkward position of deciding to take a big loss on their investment and it makes the buyers think people are trying to cheat them when the seller is just trying to sell based upon what they paid. I will say it again It is just tacky.not to mention the sentiment involved with a sword that has grown personal... just sayin!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 4:29:41 GMT
btw +1 for posting this topic up and trying to bring awareness to this sort of behavior, I really hope people can learn to think a bit more in these situations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 6:54:52 GMT
Rules for the Classifieds [glow=red,2,300]* No professionals, retailers or wholesalers please.[/glow] Such businesses can be accommodated elsewhere on the forum and on SBG, but the Classifieds is strictly for SBG Forumites who are looking to sell some of their excess armoury...! * Auctioning items is strictly forbidden. All items must list with a set price. OBO - (Or Best Offer) is acceptable, so long as it is accompanied by a set price. * If you are the seller, clearly describe the item being sold – including any flaws and list your asking price in the post. [glow=red,2,300]* Listing, or Linking items on 3rd party sites such as ebay or Craigslist are prohibited.[/glow] This includes linking of items on other forums, in their respective classifieds or sales sections. * Note any shipping costs and note your preferred method of payment. * Once the sale is completed, be sure to follow up and notify that the item has been sold to close off the thread. * Stay on topic. Any discussion or chatting not directly related to the item at hand will be deleted. Likewise, any haggling and the like should be dealt with via PM. I think tho's two lines right there make it against forum policy to say "So-n-so has it at a better price" since it was not specified that the seller only follow the "no linking" rule.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 7:04:02 GMT
Very good point Greg thanks for pointing this out!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 7:17:36 GMT
"* Stay on topic. Any discussion or chatting not directly related to the item at hand will be deleted. Likewise, any haggling and the like should be dealt with via PM." Either this is a new addition or somehow EVERYONE missed this. Or the "should be dealt with via PM" part is kind of a hazy rule not really enforced or just overlooked entirely. So... we have a situation where several people have been publicly heckled, a ten page thread was started on the subject, was subsequently locked due to comments getting testy, and no moderators ever brought it up. It's there though. it's right there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 7:34:32 GMT
Been there and been ignored, looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 13:18:12 GMT
Asking questions in a sale thread should be limited to questions about the item that were not provided by the seller.
"Is that the type X or type V" " Is that the discontinued one with the X blade" " Did you sharpen it" "Can it cut through a tank"
Anything dealing with an offer or trying to get the item at a price other than advertised should be handled privately.
Anything else is just poor form and rude behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 15:38:58 GMT
its the buyers own fault if they pay too much for something cheaprr on other sites. they should have done the homework.
but what if someone sell damaged sword or broken and they ask for same amount as new? do the heads of this site do anything about it? or just let it get sold?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 16:11:10 GMT
its the buyers own fault if they pay too much for something cheaprr on other sites. they should have done the homework. but what if someone sell damaged sword or broken and they ask for same amount as new? do the heads of this site do anything about it? or just let it get sold? No one should have to do anything about it. People are free to ask for however much they want, it's the buyers responsibility to know "jeez that guys selling a damaged sword for full price." People are free to point it out to, some might still consider it "rude" in that case but oh well... I got in trouble on SFI before for asking how much it would cost to repair a broken shinto blade. Apparently it's "rude/haggling" to ask questions about a sword you might going to be spending hundreds of dollars on A website link was quoted as 60 dollar fix for a 1/64 inch chip but the chip looked significantly larger. Though I'm used to classifieds on PBNation.com where it is complete hell. People are lowballing stuff by hundreds, offering junk, telling each other there guns are not worth that much... I love that place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2010 5:47:11 GMT
I like these kind of responses as well: Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2010 6:06:57 GMT
[snort!] Brilliant, Odin!
Some people's children, right? I'm glad that this thread was started, too, but doesn't it just make some of you sad that it is even necessary?! This crap should just be COMMON SENSE!!! Which apparently, is not so common anymore...
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