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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 3:15:11 GMT
Now obviously it is a bad idea to even mention katana and tree in the same sentence but simply out of curiosity what style of blade and what kind of steel would hold up the best to cutting into trees? I would never use it for such but I have to wonder how well something like the cold steel grossemesser or a sword made out of l-6 would stand up. Or just simply a big beefy euro.
I'm not looking for something to chop trees with I'm just trying to satisfy my curiosity so please refrain from suggesting an axe or machete.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 25, 2010 3:45:53 GMT
If I was gonna attack a tree, I'd use this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 4:27:32 GMT
Certainly looks thick enough, wonder what the steel on it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 6:29:04 GMT
Spring steel, 9650 I think, one hell of a beater!!!
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 25, 2010 18:46:57 GMT
Gee, I'd always thought the best blade design for chopping into trees was what the kids were calling an axe. Why do we have to rehash this discussion every week again? We'd gotten so much better about it. Oh and that Rittersteel is a monstrosity in many ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 18:59:30 GMT
I'm not actually looking for something to chop trees with I already have a machete and axe which work quite well It's just a question of durability like if I were to depend on it.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 25, 2010 19:18:30 GMT
Yeah, all the other threads were, too. There's tree durable, and there's sword durable. Most, heck pretty much all the swords discussed here are plenty sword durable. A few are tree durable, but they aren't very good at being swords. Steel plays only a minor role in this, too. Dimensions, weight, geometry, edge shape, and the guy holding it are all just as important as what it's made out of. That said...did I mention most, if not all, swords discussed at any length here are good? So...what are YOU looking for, sword wise? You sound confused.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 25, 2010 19:29:15 GMT
Gee, I'd always thought the best blade design for chopping into trees was what the kids were calling an axe. Oh and that Rittersteel is a monstrosity in many ways. Hell, Random, I got a hatchet. The OP said they weren't interested in axe suggestions. Of course he didn't mention chainsaws, which is the way I'd go for taking out trees but I digress. ;D As I understand it he wasn't really meaning to attack a tree, was just an example of the type of durability being considered. I took that to mean info on a regular rugged type blade wasn't being sought. If I was going to push one of my blades to the extreme that RS kat would be the one. It'd hold up the best and also has the advantage of not being one I'd really miss if it didn't. Yeah, I agree it is a monstrosity. I got no idea what type of steel it's made of.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 25, 2010 19:34:09 GMT
Yeah, I somehow overlooked the last part of the post, hence the jest. It'd be great if he had some idea of what kind of sword he wanted, rather than "I want a tough sword that can take on anything!" like all the kids (some only at heart) come here saying. Would the OP prefer a katana? Single-hand "broadsword"? Maybe a two-handed falchion (he did mention Cold Steel's Grosse Messer...which I'd encourage staying away from...) or perhaps he'd be happiest with a good ol' da dao or whatever those nasty Chinese choppers are actually called. And if we really aren't worried about the type, so much as just theorizing about which sword is toughest...I'm just going to go over there ->.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 25, 2010 19:39:22 GMT
Also price could come into play. Those Angel swords are supposed to be pretty tough but I find them way overpriced and mostly butt ugly.
Agreed Cold Steel doesn't come to my mind when tough swords are discussed tho some of their knives appear pretty hardy.
Hmm so what is the toughest sword going by brand? I dunno. Gen2 used to be all the rage for that but I don't think so these days.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 25, 2010 19:46:46 GMT
Gen2 is still pretty good for overall swordly durability, but they did have some issues with their early revamp of...shoot, was it the Black Prince or the Lucerne? They got all those issues worked out, but I think most people had moved away from them already by then, which is a shame. I hear that River Witham Viking sword was pretty darn good. Also heard good things about...well, nearly everything they've done.
Speaking of which, I'm eager to see the Flame of Angels and uh...geez, I can never remember the other one's name. Start's with a T...Torino? Anywho, those seem to be shaping up nicely.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 25, 2010 19:52:45 GMT
Leaving price aside, I'm thinking Albion has a pretty sturdy design, the pommel and guard being being solidly attached independent of the grip.
I dunno about Gen2, it was David I think bent his River Witham on a pumpkin. I know a lot of people think that wasn't necessarily the swords fault but it put me off the brand along with the other issues they were having.
An authentic Atrim I think would be pretty tough also or at least the couple I have have held up well.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 25, 2010 19:59:16 GMT
Bent it on a pumpkin? Man, he must have messed that up pretty bad. I can't really speak for Gen2 swords; all I have is a dagger, but it's a rock of a dagger. There is nothing loose here and everything is fit about as tight as it could feasibly be. I've not been gentle with it and it's done just fine. I can vouch, also, that AT and Albion are sturdy swords. I got to bang up a few of ShooterMike's a couple of years back and the worst for wear they got was a slightly loosened pommel nut.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 20:26:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 21:59:37 GMT
I actually like that last one. Just plain mean looking! Almost like half Dadao, half pirate cutlass, or something...and BIG. Buffalo ka-bobs at Liam's, everyone!.......everyone?.......ANYone?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 0:45:48 GMT
Warriorpriest, the third one shown is Cold Steel's "Chinese War Sword." While all three representations are of decent quality the Hanwei is actually probably the best out of the batch though it has a slightly thinner blade than the others. I couldn't find a pic of Jin Shi's version which beats the rest hands down according to the reviews. BTW, I am much bigger fan of Bison ribs as opposed to the buffalo but the DaDao would probably still my cook's tool of choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 2:33:07 GMT
the dadao is sometimes called a combat machete. very durable, and handles well... if you get the right one. I have the Hanwei Dadao. i did not know garrett was selling them until later... he has great stuff. as for the CS dadao, the thng weighs like 4 lbs... not my cup of tea. i wanted something light, maneuverable, and tough all at the same time. that is why i went with the hanwei. here is vid of it chopping on 4x4 post and another of me handling it. forgive the roughness on my form, i was just getting used to it. as for chopping/ destructive testing, it tends to loosen up most guards on different types of swords, so i do not recommend it. but as you can see, in the end where it cuts the bottle after, it held a darned good edge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 3:55:38 GMT
Warriorpriest, the third one shown is Cold Steel's "Chinese War Sword." While all three representations are of decent quality the Hanwei is actually probably the best out of the batch though it has a slightly thinner blade than the others. I couldn't find a pic of Jin Shi's version which beats the rest hands down according to the reviews. BTW, I am much bigger fan of Bison ribs as opposed to the buffalo but the DaDao would probably still my cook's tool of choice. Liam, Apologies. I likely just skimmed the post too quickly. I know NOTHING about Chinese sword arts, but didn't mean to seem willfully ignorant, if that is how it came across. When I lived in Oregon, we used to have access to Buffalo/Bison fairly regularly, even in the mainstream grocery stores. We had steaks a few times when we were too broke for Angus and needed something for the grill. Not bad, as long as you marinate them for a few hours in something good. I really enjoyed the buffalo burgers, though. We used to make those all the time. Good stuff! Better for you, too. ;D blessings, ~wp
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 9:50:35 GMT
Nah, you didn't seem willfully ignorant. I figured I would just inform you about what you were looking at. I'm a Chinese sword guy, we have to explain things to others, a lot. Anyway, a good Bison burger is not something to be passed up, and I try a buy it for my own family on a regular basis except in my area it's actually more expensive than beef. It is much lower in fat and cholesterol though. I need to get a decent sized Bison roast someday in the near future to cook up. Marinate with lime, chili, and some freshly chopped cilantro and it's great stuff. I'm trying to up the amount of indigenous foods in my family's diet - but that's mostly because of my own environmental beliefs. Still Bison meat is good stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 12:45:51 GMT
I know all the Playerh8rz are going to shoot me down for saying this, but I'd get one of the Cheness DH no-hi shirasayas and turn it into a tac-kat. If you think about it, Paul was splitting firewood with it. Can't really get much closer to a sword-axe than that.
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