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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 8:51:53 GMT
Maybe you guys missed it, but the CS two handed katana machete is a CUTTING DYNAMO!!!!!! If you reprofile it. ^_^
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 10:56:37 GMT
mmmh Its not for me.
as a sword I want something with some visual appeal, and this is ugly as sine.
As a functional machete, well, its just not what I would buy.
I suppose if you want a butt ugly sword to hack at random objects then this could be for you.
And as for CS videos, the are fantastic, how can anyone criticise them! What more could you want, a fat guy, cutting slabs of meat with a cheap sword! Brilliant
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 17:52:01 GMT
mmmh Its not for me. as a sword I want something with some visual appeal, and this is ugly as sine. As a functional machete, well, its just not what I would buy. I suppose if you want a butt ugly sword to hack at random objects then this could be for you. And as for CS videos, the are fantastic, how can anyone criticise them! What more could you want, a fat guy, cutting slabs of meat with a cheap sword! Brilliant To be invited to the bar-b-que afterward
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 18:55:55 GMT
that's what happens when you work at cold steel, I guess. Cut up so much meat you have a bar-b-que twice a day, and a belly follows .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 19:48:35 GMT
Chuck, so on my Grosse Messer, the Nagel would be the small semicircle on the side of the guard
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 1:23:03 GMT
Sword, yes it is. It's one of the features that makes "messer" different from "sword". I've always wondered why it's never shown up on other Germanic swords though.
M.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 4:47:19 GMT
Cold Steel loves adding well known terms to products to get sales.. this thing looks NOTHING like a katana with that being said it probably works quite well for its intended purpose. If only the handle was a little shorter and the blade longer I would probably get one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 6:23:56 GMT
Chuck, so on my Grosse Messer, the Nagel would be the small semicircle on the side of the guard Correct. On real Messers, they usually look somewhat like a seashell shape, or often enough just a curved hook shape. Theres really quite a variety of styles of them, it is interesting to study them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 12:43:52 GMT
Hey M Eeversberg, what is nagel I tried looking it up on google and Swordwiki to no avail BTW, I own a CS Grosse Messer and it is one of my favorite swords Man if I had a dollar for every time I had to cut my way through hanging hams out in the triple canopy jungle. OH, HOLY CRAP! This got me laughing so hard that I almost choked to death on my cigarette! I feel like I've just done 50 sit-ups! My dogs are looking at me like I've finally "gone 'round the bend." You earned a karma from me for the BEST...POST...EVER! Well, best post yet, anyway. ~wp
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Aug 24, 2010 21:02:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 3:42:43 GMT
Strom, a +1 for you good sir for taking the step. I've been on the fence about getting this myself. My biggest area of worry is how far the tang goes back into the blade. My fear is that it only goes a couple of inches beyond the second rivet. Hey, if you could, take a magnet to the thing and see exactly how far it does go back. Even if the tang does stop short, I might till get it, cut the handle back a bit and have a machete ninja sword! Actually, with some creative carving, it would very easily turn into a single handed, semi, mini messer type. But yeah, if you have a moment, run a magnet down the handle and see where then tang ends for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 4:17:32 GMT
Knowing them really I bet its no longer then the space of those lugs end, but saying that if I was to put a hack saw to it do you think it would make a good single handed sword ? It would look very tactical then
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 5:20:24 GMT
Knowing them really I bet its no longer then the space of those lugs end, but saying that if I was to put a hack saw to it do you think it would make a good single handed sword ? It would look very tactical then I've had that thought myself. As ugly as I think this thing is, I've thought of getting it just to cut the handle down and make a one handed machete.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 4:38:00 GMT
Greg,
I have one and took a magnet to it. The tang runs the full length to just behind the lanyard hole.
It is a fun sharp pointy too. The thing is damn near indestructible. Botched cuts just bounce off with no damage to the machete/sword(?). Still don't know what exactly to call this thing other than "fun!". Also, mine came with the anti-rust coating ground off of the edge. It was razor, hair popping sharp out of the box. That really surprised me. I'm used to having to sharpen my own machetes. This one was ready to rock and roll OOB. I don't know if this is par for this model or Oso Grande (place where I bought it) sharpened it for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 16:30:51 GMT
Full length!?!?!
Holy crap! That is rather surprising... but Cold Steel has been full of surprises lately. Now I kinda wanna get one, cut the handle back, but leave the tang alone. Then peen a pommel onto the thing. When I've run outta project blades, this baby will be my next!
It looked like Strom's was sharp out of the box too. Perhaps Cold Steel took heed to everyone complaining about that... and only that... as far as their machetes go.
I've been interested in this model since it was announced earlier this year. I have two other CS machetes and have been tickled to death with them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 16:45:33 GMT
The thing about most machete they are made semi sharp on purpose. This way the owner can put the type of edge they want for the job they will be doing. Most people put a utility edge on them for working not super sharp edges to cut water bottles, with those kind of egdes chip, row over or dull to fast.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 17:02:41 GMT
I doubt the heat treat and overall design will allow for a good sword. Fine for a machette though.
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Aug 26, 2010 18:48:09 GMT
Yeah mine was sharp, it's very rare for me but I got a decent slice on the finger from it, not while cutting, but putting it back in the stupid cardboard blade cover which it sliced through.
I have now purchased the matching scabbard (sold seperately...)
It did crush slice some of the bottles more than clean slice, it got better as I moved my hands further away from the blade in each cut. Against 1 inch thick branches it put deep cuts in even with some tip cuts. The edge (where coating is gone) was still a little stained but plenty sharp after I wiped it down, but I figure it makes it more passable as a garden tool if anyone ever has cause to look at it.
I think it's a fun blade that would make a good gift to slightly inclined beginner swordspeople (once you chop you cant stop), or fill a multipurpose role around the house.
but DONT try to sheath it katana style into that cardboard...
cheers, Rob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 21:29:49 GMT
Fallen: Both cold steel machetes that I've gotten came with the edge rolled. this was probably where the workers would grind one edge, then grind the other only to get a bevel shape. Then the whole thing was dipped in the anti rust coating and shipped out. So it wasn't a service edge, it was straight up blunt. So it would seem that Cold Steel has improved how sharp the edges come. Cheness: Well, as far as a full length sword goes, you run into obsticles of bendy but not whippy, strong but not ridgid, etc etc. But the shorter your blade gets, the easier it is to erase the line between sword and machete. The heat treat on my 24" latin machete is fine. It will bend and return to true. But if I bend it 90 degrees, it will take a set. With the "katana" only having a 19" length, it would seem a lot less whippy then my latin and what I plan on doing is the following: First, cut down the grip leaving 3 inches to add a pommel onto and peen it... or split the metal and "T" end it. Then I'd grind the tip symmetrically and add an edge to the back side. It would end up looking like a spatha or maybe a gladius. The more I talk about it, the more I'm wanting to start it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 12:08:48 GMT
You know, heat treat is not only about flexing without taking a set. Machettes normally simple aren't hard enough for a good sword. OK, I have very high standarts on hardness anyway but I reckon these machettes are at best around 40 Rc and that's just way too soft. Of course there are swords with that "hardness" aswell but these are normally the bad ones. Anything under 50 is unacceptable, around 58-60 would be best. But for bottles it might be fine.
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