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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 0:02:38 GMT
Well, as the post says...I've got some designs for every day carry type user blades. They're sort of Japanese inspired I suppose, something like a cross between a kwaiken and a kiridashi. They could be carried on a belt, as a kneck knife, clasped to a purse...whatever you like. They're a little long for a keychain knife...but I've seen some pretty long keychain fobs lol...so maybe, maybe not. I'm thinking I'l be able to make the sheaths of kydex, if I pick up a rivet machine. Anyhow, my question for you guys is...which do you like most (by number)? They should all be comparable in difficulty to make...so that's not an issue. The blade styles will most likely be flat ground...but it's possible I'll put a little niku in there for edge support. They will be quite thick, at 1/4" or so...for a nice grip, with distal taper to the point. Width is around 1" at the ricasso area. Balance will be neutral...so there will be holes in the tang. I'm considering drilling the holes in succession, and using them as separators for a cool style of crossover paracord/latigo wrap I'm thinking of. They will be differentially/clay hardened and polished to show the hamon. Steel will be 1075/1080 for now...with W1 or W2 likely in the future. Blade finishes will be up in the air...but I'm thinking of natural polish for one, heavily etched in Ferric Chloride and left black for another...and maybe a mustard finish with a visible hamon for the third. Anyhow, here's the bare blade drawings: Random and Secosera...I particularly want you guys opinions on the ones you like =D...but I want everyone elses opinions too! Cris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 0:09:20 GMT
Personally, I find #3 the most attractive, with #1 in second place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 3:00:52 GMT
Personally, I find #3 the most attractive, with #1 in second place. Thanks =D. I'm in agreement to be honest. They have a grace to them the others don't seem to. I'm not sure how #1 will fit in the hand though...but it's something we'll be seeing about soon enough =D. The other two I can see having a lot of utility though...so we'll see on that too lol. By the way...the first two blades will be going to Random and Secosera, for being incredibly generous guys. Hopefully they'll like them =D. Cris
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jul 12, 2010 3:34:09 GMT
#4, FTW. Next in line would be #2, followed by #1, and finally, #3. Are you offering to sell these, or take commisions for them? If the price is right, I'd be totally hyped to have a little utility knife made by a friend on SBG (you, of course). Nice designs, and good luck! ;D -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 3:43:26 GMT
#4, FTW. Next in line would be #2, followed by #1, and finally, #3. Are you offering to sell these, or take commisions for them? If the price is right, I'd be totally hyped to have a little utility knife made by a friend on SBG (you, of course). Nice designs, and good luck! ;D -Slayer I won't be taking commisions on anything again...until I'm far more stable than I am now lol. However, as these get made I'd be more than willing to sell them. I'll need to see how long they take me to make, how much it costs in materials (propane, sand paper, steel, etc), if they'll come with a sheath and how much that'll cost...you get the idea. I see similar sized ones for around $100, but as I said, we'll see how it all works out =D. I'm sure I'll think of other designs as I go as well. If someone shows interest in one style, and is ok with whatever the price turns out to be...I'll be happy to make them one on a pay once complete basis. Anyhow, off to upload a youtube video of my little paint can forge running =D. Be sure to keep giving me you guys opinions! Cris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 4:00:17 GMT
I should probably ask as well...what do you guys think is a reasonable price for a blade like this?
Cris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 5:15:10 GMT
A Fred Perrin LaGriffe goes for about $60 for a 4.5 inch knife with kydex sheath. A better comparison is the FrontSight HideAway, going for $140 in stainless and is semi-production. A Kikuo Matsuda Neck Knife semi-production imported from Japan comes out at $220. I'd say you toss in a Kydex sheath and call it a holdout/utility knife and you can go for $200 easy , especially with it being non-production, with hamon, and made in USA.
'course, I haven't been in touch with the "tac" knife community in years, so maybe prices have fluctuated some.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 12, 2010 6:36:41 GMT
Hell, they all look good...but I'm torn on #'s 1 and 4, though the tricky part is picking apart what's actually different...though I'll admit #3 is in very close second. #2 is just a bit too dedicated in its form, more kiridashi (ie. wood carving) than general utility...but still a nice design. #4 does look a bit over-acute in the point, but all you have to do is compensate accordingly elsewhere... ("All you have to do..." as if I had any idea ) Thinking #1 is in the lead at the moment...but all are great designs. I like the ideas you have. Of course, if it's just a throw-in, then I can't really be picky, now, can I? (not even a necessary thing, mind. ) Opferous' pricing seems reasonable. Depends primarily on how hard it turns out to be to actually make one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 6:44:20 GMT
Hell, they all look good...but I'm torn on #'s 1 and 4, though the tricky part is picking apart what's actually different...though I'll admit #3 is in very close second. #2 is just a bit too dedicated in its form, more kiridashi (ie. wood carving) than general utility...but still a nice design. #4 does look a bit over-acute in the point, but all you have to do is compensate accordingly elsewhere... ("All you have to do..." as if I had any idea ) Thinking #1 is in the lead at the moment...but all are great designs. I like the ideas you have. Of course, if it's just a throw-in, then I can't really be picky, now, can I? (not even a necessary thing, mind. ) Opferous' pricing seems reasonable. Depends primarily on how hard it turns out to be to actually make one. It's funny...#1 and #2 are basically just the same knife, flipped lol. I like them both just as much too lol. Bellying out #4 some wouldn't be too difficult...but what IS difficult is to make designs that are similar, yet different enough to fill various tastes and utility needs, if you know what I mean lol =D. This is sorta the result of that goal. If you like these designs, check out the pair of kitchen knives I've got planned for my parent's anniversary, and the one my wife is about up my REAR to make for us to celebrate getting out of this place: ParentsWifeAs I said...so many ideas...so little ability and time lol. Cris
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 12, 2010 6:46:00 GMT
Oooh, those are VERY nice.
Also in total agreement about designs et cetera. Only so many shapes, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 6:51:45 GMT
Oooh, those are VERY nice. Also in total agreement about designs et cetera. Only so many shapes, eh?Thanks! I've got one idea in my head for a kitchen knife that's absolutely driving me nuts. It's an integral though...meaning I'd need to forge it from round stock, rather than flat stock...and I haven't the tooling necessary for the fullering yet. As for the designs...now imagine that you're also trying to make something DIFFERENT than other people on top of the rest lol. Only so many shapes doesn't even cover it =D. On the little EDC knives...I'm planning on drilling a succession of holes along the grip in rising diameters as the grip widens...or possibly slotting it...but I think it'll be drilling instead. That'll give a LOT of options for lacing paracord, flattened paracord, latigo and other leathers...whatever you like. That will give what amounts to cookie cutter blades some real personality in my opinion, don't you think? Cris
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 12, 2010 7:06:46 GMT
Oooh, those are VERY nice. Also in total agreement about designs et cetera. Only so many shapes, eh?Thanks! I've got one idea in my head for a kitchen knife that's absolutely driving me nuts. It's an integral though...meaning I'd need to forge it from round stock, rather than flat stock...and I haven't the tooling necessary for the fullering yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 7:18:29 GMT
Definitely, sounds neat to me. Either way you go about it, I'm sure the job will be done. Just out of curiosity, do you prefer paracord or leather? Color? I'm thinking of taking some 1mm leather lacing (you know, the kind all these new trendy leather chokers are made from?) and braiding it first, then using that like I would the paracord. Eventually that would wear out though I think, wheras the paracord will last longer than I'll live lol. Lemme know your preferances =D. Also, what kind of finish style you'd prefer...etch blackened like this (only smoother/more consistent, with no forge marks): Or would you prefer a more typical hybrid polish/etch? Cris
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 12, 2010 7:25:08 GMT
I am not the least bit picky in this case. Though I do like the looks of that knife... As usual, do what you think looks/feels/is good, and I'll probably agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 7:31:35 GMT
I am not the least bit picky in this case. Though I do like the looks of that knife... As usual, do what you think looks/feels/is good, and I'll probably agree. So, etched finish lol. That's a kitchen knife btw =p. As for the wrap...anything will probably look good. You can go the ultra contrast thing and use dayglo green or orange, or the opposite with stark black (or any color in between). You can make it look almost native american (man, a couple remind me of arrowheads in a way) with leather lacing...and we haven't even gotten into lanyard beads yet =D. Skulls to angel wings, they make them in just about every freaking design on the planet lol. I saw skull lanyard beads the other day that have glowing eyes lol. Can't remember where though. So, now that we've decided that there's about a million ways to make them look good...YOU get to choose what you'd like lol. It'll all cost about the same, so that's not really an issue. Cris
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 12, 2010 8:16:31 GMT
Of course it's a kitchen knife; nobody said they can't be cool looking, too. Honestly...I don't really care about the specifics...though one request...no dayglo anything. No bright colors because...ew. Other than that, just have fun trying new things. Whatever you settle on...that'll work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 8:25:29 GMT
A Fred Perrin LaGriffe goes for about $60 for a 4.5 inch knife with kydex sheath. A better comparison is the FrontSight HideAway, going for $140 in stainless and is semi-production. A Kikuo Matsuda Neck Knife semi-production imported from Japan comes out at $220. I'd say you toss in a Kydex sheath and call it a holdout/utility knife and you can go for $200 easy , especially with it being non-production, with hamon, and made in USA. 'course, I haven't been in touch with the "tac" knife community in years, so maybe prices have fluctuated some. Wow, I googled that Fred Perrin blade: It sold for $135. These might end up being profitable little blades, all told. It sucks though...I end up friends with just about everyone I deal with and hate selling my stuff for 'full price' to friends lol =D. Guess we'll be back to 'lemme see what it costs to make', and go from there =p. By the way, thank you very much for the price breakdown...it definately gave me something to think about! Cris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 8:26:54 GMT
Of course it's a kitchen knife; nobody said they can't be cool looking, too. Honestly...I don't really care about the specifics...though one request...no dayglo anything. No bright colors because...ew. Other than that, just have fun trying new things. Whatever you settle on...that'll work. LOL gotcha =D. See, if you hadn't spoke up, you might have got a hybrid polished blade with a neon green paracord wrap =p. Cris
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 12, 2010 8:32:11 GMT
And I'd have taken it just as gladly. ...though it may have been a drawer piece more than an EDC. That's a wicked looking little thingy by Perrin, though I'm not sure about the $135 part.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 8:37:08 GMT
And I'd have taken it just as gladly. ...though it may have been a drawer piece more than an EDC. That's a wicked looking little thingy by Perrin, though I'm not sure about the $135 part. Well, the idea is for you to USE it duh!! Beat the hell out of it once it's made...I wanna know how well it works lol. The little Perrin knife is cool. I agree $135 is steep. You should see the prices for the same knife in titanium lol. Add a buck...x 100 lol. Once I get some tooling setup (I need something with a damn hardy/pritchel hole!), I'll see about doing some of these blades with a finger hole in them. Even the designs above could pretty easily take a finger ring rather than the choil setup, and look nice doing it I think. Cris
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