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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 20:00:08 GMT
Here's the deal. I want to try my hand at making a sword. Specifically, a ninjato. However, I'm having some serious design issues. I have a piece of stock steel staring me in the face. So if anyone has the want for a personalized ninjato, submit a design! Whoever's design I decide to make will get the sword and have it pictured and reviewed here. Except you pay shipping and the exact price I paid for parts. (not alot)
In the event you don't actually want the sword, ok. You aren't forced to get it. It'll just sit up on my wall.
You should know that this should be for DISPLAY! It's being made of stock steel. Although it will come sharp, and will be able to cut, it doesn't mean you have to. Your choice.
DESIGNS PLEASE! ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 20:15:33 GMT
you want a design, do you? ok heres my idea of a ninjato: blade: it is a straight kiriha zukuri (not hollywood-zukuri) shaped blade, with a relatively short blade (maybe 20"-22") and a two hand grip (10") . koshirae: it is something like a zatoichi stick, except it is black and it has a lock that prevents the blade to come loose from saya, something like you see in ga-rei zero anime. this lock shouldn't be to bulky, nor to small. it will slightly disturb the flow from tsuka to saya...... I have a clear picture of it in my head, but I just can't draw it... oh, I forgot, the ends of the saya and the tsuka should both be prolongued, not just cut of style....
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 21:36:00 GMT
Wow, what a great idea!
There is a couple questions I have. Do you want to design as close to an authentic one as we can find? Do you want a Hollywood version? Do you want it to reflect today's nijutsu training? Do you want this to be a piece of art or a true Ninjutsu tool?
There are a few practioners of Ninjutsu on this site, myself included and after buyint the Hanwei Practical Ninjato, I have a few ideas for changes as well.
Let us know, this is a great project for the members of this site to get involved in, wicked post!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 7:06:56 GMT
You might want to post(move) this in the Sword making board of the forum. /index.cgi?board=swordmakingOr in the Member Designs /index.cgi?board=designsEither of those would be more appropriate places for this thread. That said, I wish you luck with making your sword. Sounds like a lot of fun.
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Post by slav on May 7, 2010 7:41:16 GMT
Moved. Thanks! mike: What grade of steel is the bar-stock?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 8:58:59 GMT
Since its only going to be a SLO then we should make it the most SLO that any SLO has ever been. Lets make it REALLY bad.
Im not going to draw a picture of this or anything. You will just have to use your imagination.
First off and probably most important is the need to have at least a total of 17 dragons JUST on the blade. Don't worries about carving those in just use a permanent sharpie marker.
All dragons MUST have a red jewel eye. Just glue that on. It will give the sword more power.
All of the fittings must be made in clear perspex. It will basically make the sword super light, infinitesimally strong and practically invisible. This will also server the purpose of users being able to see the 17 ruby eyed dragons without the fear of blowing the room up by unleashing its power. Like a fridge with a glass door.
The tsuka needs a 5 inch hollow compartment to store a constant color changing led. It also needs to hold some dental floss to scale buildings. Possibly some food.
Last but not least it needs 5 warning stickers on it to protect the user and those within a 5 mile vicinity. These stickers should be written microscopically small and in the worst English possible.
they should say something like this:
"So, you're a big boy. You have to play with a huge sword. Therefore, the sharp, you do not understand life. Do not you dare use it for plants, animals, or tanks. The tank is not the son of a semprini it is to eat them. None will survive its powerful fist like an angry God. 1 inch can kill your eyes. Thank you for your mother. She's the cost of 34.99 U.S. dollars. Not play sword. There is a real danger to the life of the ruby eyes. If you kill too much rest. 10-minute break to eat meals provided by the treatment. Food is good. Do not eat so you can light it from a man pregnant."
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 10:21:58 GMT
mrfatbucket
LOL, it is hilarious....
oh, I have another idea, make it as you like, but ifpossible, make the scabard translusent, so the blade can be seen without drawing it out....
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Post by Dan Davis on May 7, 2010 12:26:58 GMT
Come on guys, First this is the SBG SWORD Forum; not the SLO forum. From the Forum Rules (you all read them, right?): General Rules
1. This forum is primarily dedicated to sub US$300 entry level swords and functional 'beaters' (i.e. - tough swords that you don't mind if they get a little scuffed). While some in-context discussion of swords above this price point is fine, please do not forget the focus of this forum. There are several well known forums dedicated to elite swords - this is not one of them.. Second, this is the SWORD MAKING DISCUSSION forum. If you want to discuss making swords, dandy. If you want to discuss making things that look like swords, or swords made out of sheet metal, or "super-secret anime self-expanding mighty buster sword ninja tank-cutting katana design" then take it somewhere else please. To further expound upon Paul's statement: There are several well known forums dedicated to anime, fantasy and 'collectible' swords - this is not one of them.. I will allow this to continue for now. Oh and FYI- There is no such thing as a "historical" ninjato; none, whatsoever, no matter what Stephen K. Hayes, Ashida Kim or Frank Dux say. The CORRECT term for a historical "ninja sword" is chisa-gatana (lit. "small katana") and apart from it's size (length) it was a katana. Pure and simple. Don't believe me? Ask Hatsumi-sensei. I did.
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Post by slav on May 7, 2010 13:15:46 GMT
I still choose only to believe the words of Ashida Kim. So suck it Dan Davis!!! jk jk
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Post by Dan Davis on May 7, 2010 14:06:30 GMT
See, I can kid around too
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Post by Cottontail Customs on May 7, 2010 16:07:00 GMT
ummmmmmmmmmmm...........uhhhhhhhhhhhh.........shakes head, then ummmmmmmmmmm...............what!!?? this is by far one of the most bizarre threads I've read so far!?! is it April 1st again? did we forget to take our meds? strange, confusing, but funny I guess
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 16:32:39 GMT
Whatever you end up doing, just make sure you put mrfatbucket's warning sticker on it:P
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 18:14:16 GMT
Come on guys, First this is the SBG SWORD Forum; not the SLO forum. From the Forum Rules (you all read them, right?): General Rules
1. This forum is primarily dedicated to sub US$300 entry level swords and functional 'beaters' (i.e. - tough swords that you don't mind if they get a little scuffed). While some in-context discussion of swords above this price point is fine, please do not forget the focus of this forum. There are several well known forums dedicated to elite swords - this is not one of them.. Second, this is the SWORD MAKING DISCUSSION forum. If you want to discuss making swords, dandy. If you want to discuss making things that look like swords, or swords made out of sheet metal, or "super-secret anime self-expanding mighty buster sword ninja tank-cutting katana design" then take it somewhere else please. To further expound upon Paul's statement: There are several well known forums dedicated to anime, fantasy and 'collectible' swords - this is not one of them.. I will allow this to continue for now. Oh and FYI- There is no such thing as a "historical" ninjato; none, whatsoever, no matter what Stephen K. Hayes, Ashida Kim or Frank Dux say. The CORRECT term for a historical "ninja sword" is chisa-gatana (lit. "small katana") and apart from it's size (length) it was a katana. Pure and simple. Don't believe me? Ask Hatsumi-sensei. I did. Um... sorry to have to point this out Dan, but have you read the description for this Board? "Sword Making Discussion (2 sub-boards) Discussion and information on making your own sword: be it via stock removal, forging, wooden or even a boffer" Now I don't see SLO, fantasy, or Anime but I would guess this OP is implied in the quite liberal range of what is described. I would also point out that the OP by mikeeman was fairly serious, and it was others who decided to go goofie. I suggested it moved here to give it a credible surroundings and serious interest, I had not thought moving it would make it go silly. I think when mikeeman posts again he will clear up some misconceptions of his idea, and encourage the people who have gone on the right track.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 18:22:00 GMT
Yeah sorry for muffing up the maker section. I hope people realise its a parody of the mythical ninja sword.
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Post by Dan Davis on May 7, 2010 19:05:42 GMT
Well, yes, I see your point about the description.
It is very old, from the original start up of the forum and before the final purpose of the forum in general was even specified. I have already submitted a request for that particular relic to be changed.
I also requested that an additional forum be added specifically FOR practice weapon, wooden waster and boffer sword making discussions. We will see what happens when the senior mods review.
My objection to the OP is summed up in this sentence: If you are making something that is sharp and able to cut, then it should be made of quality steel that is properly heat treated. Otherwise you are making something that has a high potential for failure, giving it to someone and saying "you can cut with it, sure. Go ahead. It's your choice.".
This is no different from the "sheet metal sword"; unsafe and irresponsible.
My objection to the follow-on posts which by and large I took as silly, ridiculous responses to a patently absurd idea is simply that they really WERE goofy but could be taken as if we (as a group) were actually endorsing this whole thing.
I will grant you that they originated on another part of the forum and if they had remained there would probably NOT have been taken that way; but the thread was moved here where the connotations are a bit different. After all, whether we are seasoned professionals, experienced amateurs, or beginners here to learn, this is the forum where we need to be serious about "Sword Making".
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 20:17:43 GMT
Ok, wow. You all blew this waaaay out of the water. The whole point of this is to practice making a sword with a relatively soft material that is easy to work with. Why start with a piece of high carbon steel that I could potentially ruin? The idea here is to gather peoples opinions and see what everyone really likes in a sword. If you like historical, kewl. Submit it. If you like Hollywood, kewl. Submit it. If like fantasy/anime, kewl. Submit it. This is all for practice and to give something to someone who will like it.
I can't stop anyone from cutting with it. Since sharpening is a VERY important part of making a sword, it will come sharp. Why would I leave that part out of a practice sword? Then I wouldn't know what I was doing when it came down to making some others.
I do like the warning label by the way. It will be made entirely out of the soul of a dragon. (super hard to forge) and tsuka will be the claw of a dragon. Fire rubys will be magically inserted throughout the blade. Don't forget to keep it sheathed in your house. It has an attitude of it's own and will light its self on fire sometimes. (for those who didn't notice, this last paragraph was sarcasm)
And for everyone who ACTUALLY took this seriously, thanks. For those who didn't, no hard feelings. Some was funny. However this is a test of myself to see if I can produce a sword to someone else's ASTHETIC standards.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 20:49:05 GMT
Okay, seeing as I'm the only one responding to the OP's original post and intent.
Chisa-Katana, with a normal length tsuka and saya for a katana. Fittings to be dark blue or dark brown, and very plain. Make the yokote either geometric, or make it a shobu.
That's really the only thing that comes to mind, speaking of "ninjato"
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Post by Dan Davis on May 7, 2010 20:53:38 GMT
Now, see, I can get behind that (but I am moving this thread to the 'Member Designs" forum).
I would suggest you refer to the piece as a "PROTOTYPE; not heat treated. Not suitable for cutting, although sharpened.".
You're right that you can't stop a fool from being a fool but it NEVER pays to encourage them, and even the slightest hint that this could be used counts as encouragement (in my book anyway, but that book has been written after years of dealing with legal gray areas).
So, a chisa-gatana is made just like a regular katana except that it is only slightly longer than a wakizashi. The only difference between it and a o-wakizashi is the size of the nakago. Although these swords are shorter than standard katana, the saya and tsuka are full size.
This gives an advantage to the wielder when in close quarters where a standard long sword would be unusable, but has the advantage of appearing to be a full length sword. This bit of misdirection could be a crucial advantage in a duel occurring in close quarters.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 21:58:37 GMT
Hmm.... A curved blade might be slightly difficult. I think I can pull it off though (maybe) The bar I have isn't very wide and is straight. Hence making a ninjato instead of a katana. But I'll try.
I didn't notice this earlier, but I have no idea what grade the steel is. Just a bar of stock steel I got to practice with.
And There is a particular member here (will go un-named) that said he was actually SOLD stock metal ninjato. So apparently they can be used. I just strongly suggest that you don't. I have never tested a stock metal sword and can only imagine it would end up bad for me and anyone around. Again, this is just for practice making a sword.
BTW, visual designs are a little easier. If a description, please use blade measurement, kind of tsuba, length of tsuka, ect. full design if possible.
Apparently I can't give kharma?
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Post by Dan Davis on May 7, 2010 22:13:02 GMT
You can only give 1 per hour or some such, so you may need to "recharge".
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