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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 18:31:26 GMT
First off, I'd like to thank everyone of you that have done a review on here. The information you guys provide is priceless. But, (I know, here it comes), could someone put a link, thread to what the "heck" all the parts & pieces you're talking about are? I'm probably not the only one that's not an expert in sword-speak. I know what a tsuba, tsuka, saya and most other parts are. When you tell me the taper on this, thickness of that, is good, bad, ugly, I'm lost. Maybe there is somewhere on here that shows sword terminology, but I haven't found it. Also, thanks to the reviewers & members on here, I'm really interested in getting my first medieval sword. I know what a pommel & guard are (blade & handle, give me some credit) but that's about it. Before somebody says it, I have a picture(s) of sword parts, it doesn't show all the things you guys write about. Thanks beforehand for any help. Jim
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Post by shadowhowler on May 5, 2010 18:34:53 GMT
First off, I'd like to thank everyone of you that have done a review on here. The information you guys provide is priceless. But, (I know, here it comes), could someone put a link, thread to what the "heck" all the parts & pieces you're talking about are? I'm probably not the only one that's not an expert in sword-speak. I know what a tsuba, tsuka, saya and most other parts are. When you tell me the taper on this, thickness of that, is good, bad, ugly, I'm lost. Maybe there is somewhere on here that shows sword terminology, but I haven't found it. Also, thanks to the reviewers & members on here, I'm really interested in getting my first medieval sword. I know what a pommel & guard are (blade & handle, give me some credit) but that's about it. Before somebody says it, I have a picture(s) of sword parts, it doesn't show all the things you guys write about. Thanks beforehand for any help. Jim Hey Jim... A glossery index of sword terms is not a bad idea... someone might get around to something like that, but it would take a bit of free time. In the meantime, if you read something in a review that you don't understand... just ask. There are not stupid questions... ...ok, thats not really true... but your questions in this case are not stupid. To address one thing you said... 'taper' is when a blade gets smaller in size along its length. Profile taper is when the width of the blade closes in near the point... distal taper is when the thickness of the blade does the same thing.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on May 5, 2010 18:38:00 GMT
Oakeshott Typology which deals with all the European classifications you are likely to hear us talk about: www.myarmoury.com/feature_oakeshott.html discussion on distal and profile taper and a little fun sticky in the japanese section about japanese sword info: /index.cgi?board=japaneseswords&action=display&thread=5568 hope this all helps. of course nothing replaces reading good books but it is a god starting place any more questions?
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Post by Cottontail Customs on May 5, 2010 18:45:48 GMT
I was wondering why the reviews have seemed to stop being placed in the index. is there someone assigned to doing this? or is it Paul's decision? or are the current reviews just not up to snuff? while I'm chiming in I would really like to see an organized list of sword terms., vendors, accessories, suppliers, and such all in the same area so we don't have to hunt through hundreds of posts. a lot of great topics should also have been stickied as they have come up so often. can anyone help?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on May 5, 2010 18:53:28 GMT
you can always ask a moderator to sticky something. any global mod can do it and any mod of a specific section can do it in their realm.
as for the index I think James Gall runs that but he can't update it all the time. I think he goes into it every month or two and updates it wasn't all that long ago it got updated. it would be a LOT of constant work to update it as fast as the reviews come in so give it some time and also use that search engine app posted in a sticky here in general discusions and you will find pretty much anything you need.
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Post by Cottontail Customs on May 5, 2010 18:55:53 GMT
thanks Tom, I didn't know about the app
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Post by YlliwCir on May 5, 2010 19:46:19 GMT
No offence but the internet is a font of information. I didn't know squat about katana type terms when I got here. I've been able to find all the info I've needed with a little searching and, like has been mentioned, asking a question now and then. Having said that an index of terms would be a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 21:58:04 GMT
Definitely wouldn't hurt too much for a few extra what the part were while writing a review.
I can imagine there are people out there doing searches and they come across your or my review. They may not have ever heard of SBG before.
A little explanation of Fuchi-Kashira are the metal fittings on either end of the tsuka, which is the handle of the sword. Could help out some beginner greatly. From there they may find the glossary of terms. Oh another idea is to post a link to the terms if you don't really want to spell it out for each review?
Just another way for us to be friendly and helpful, and increase the knowledge out there.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 22:03:56 GMT
pm sent toya NightShadow
I like the Hellspawn avatar.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 23:20:06 GMT
pointy end ........ goes in man ....
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Post by Dom T. on May 6, 2010 0:15:46 GMT
^ Was it Antonio Banderas who said that?
I would have been a lot less helpful. Probably would've said something along the lines of "read as friggin' much about swords as you can." That's pretty much how I learned 'em. Then again, that takes a lot of time, and I'm still learning. Well, I'll always be in the phase of 'still learning'. 'Tis the nature of knowledge, innit?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on May 6, 2010 12:55:15 GMT
pointy end ........ goes in man .... Eddard Stark: "you don't know the first thing about using a sword!" Arya Stark: "Sure I do: stick them with the pointy end!" Eddard: "well I guess that IS the first thing." lol love those books; need the next one to get written already.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 14:08:41 GMT
Thanks for your help Tom. That's a great video. +1. ;D. Jim
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on May 6, 2010 14:25:40 GMT
glad to help man. we were all new once, some of us not too long ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 14:46:10 GMT
(exalts Brissybeater) I've wondered about that for a while. Clears up another gray area!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 8:42:28 GMT
pointy end ........ goes in man .... Eddard Stark: "you don't know the first thing about using a sword!" Arya Stark: "Sure I do: stick them with the pointy end!" Eddard: "well I guess that IS the first thing." lol love those books; need the next one to get written already. I'm re-reading them right now, probably going to go nuts if I don't get the next one soon. I need me my fix! But anyway, I'm not terribly interested in Japanese swords, so I don't know most of the terms, and on the rare occasion that I try to read a review of one it gets darn confusing, I agree.
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Post by Avery on May 8, 2010 1:39:42 GMT
I'm a little late coming to this thread, hadn't had time to go through the boards lately. I think an index of terms could be put together with a little spare time. If no one else is working on this I can maybe get one together for Euro blades.
Basicly describe things like Distal taper, profile taper, POB, COP, provide links to hilt types, blade types and so on.
If this is something folks would like to see, I'll get to work. If some one else is already working on it, PM me and I'll help out.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 4:24:41 GMT
This video shows some basic terminology on the Japanese sword. Here's some elaboration about the blade itself: Nagasa: Cutting edge length Kissaki: Tip of the sword. Can be varying lengths or styles, such as: Kokissaki: Short Kissaki Chu Kissaki: Medium length kissaki. Most common type on production blades. Okissaki: Long kissaki Kissaki moroha zukuri: Double edged kissaki, through the monouchi. Becomes single edged after monouchi. Monouchi: First third of the blade. This is the part that should be cut with. Shaku: Length of measurement, approximately one foot. Sori: Curve of the blade. Some swords have no sori, some have very high sori, and the sori can be concentrated in different parts of the blade. -Zukuri: The shape of the blade itself. Again, there are many different types, such as shinogi zukuri, which is the most common type seen on production blades. We're talking Hyoujinsama into making more tutorials as I write this. he explains this better and more in-depth than I do. Here's a rough photo with some Korean sword terms: It's kinda crappy. I need to re-do it. And thanks for making this post to the reviewers; it's nice to be appreciated! ;D +1 from me.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 5:13:26 GMT
Thanks Midori. That was/is alot of help. . Only thing is the video proved that I've been pronouncing about half of the parts I did know wrong. . +1 for you for your help. ;D Jim
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 14:31:22 GMT
I'll do some digging and see if I can't get the Chinese Terminology up as well, but give me a few days on that. (*edit: found the bookmark I was looking for*) Information from: www.chinese-swords-guide.com/parts-of-a-sword.html Courtesy: Sifu Linda Heenan For the most part the "Jian" part of the terms is replaced with "Dao" for Dao blades, but I will try to find some more specific information.
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