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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 14, 2007 4:02:12 GMT
This sunday featured some impressive bouts.
Me with longsword vs Simon with long saber
Me with longsword vs Simon with Chinese Dao
Me with longsword vs Maurya with long saber
Me with longsword vs Kalun with longsword
Hin with katana (Koryu Ten Nen Ri Shin Ryu trained for 3 months in Japan) vs Unicorn with Katateuchi
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 4:41:20 GMT
neither of the last two looked very well trained? They just look like two guys going at it without training or possibly ignoring their training?
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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 14, 2007 6:12:04 GMT
Ignoring is probably the point. neither of the last two looked very well trained? They just look like two guys going at it without training or possibly ignoring their training?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 20:46:39 GMT
Thanks for posting those vids Lance. I think in all the vids the showed a good awareness that distance was their best defense.
vid 1- excellent use of distance for defense. Well timed attacks.
vid 2- we see that fancy one handed sword play not good. If your gona use a sword one handed, put a shield in the other or at least another weapon. If you have two hands, use them both. He also could use some work on retreating.
vid 3 - The guy was attacking but not defending himself and paying the price. He seemed bent on outreaching his opponent when his weapon had no clear reach advantage.
vid 4 - Not bad, one guy tried to be a bully in the beginning got hit a few times, then switched to a better defense. They both kept good distance.
vid 5 - Not the worse I have seen, they did try to keep distance. The attacks became very predictable. Toward the end one guy got the idea of changing his attack, which killed the other guy a few times, then the other guy changed up too.
I would like to see some shield fighting from you guys too also some two-weapon.
I really like the weapons that you guys use. It eliminates the need for heavy, hot, and expensive armor. I hope it catches on world wide and turns into an international association of some kind like the SCA.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 15, 2007 5:48:49 GMT
Thanks for your comments. I'll see if I can find you some sword and buckler videos.
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Post by admin on May 15, 2007 6:15:16 GMT
I really like the weapons that you guys use. It eliminates the need for heavy, hot, and expensive armor. I hope it catches on world wide and turns into an international association of some kind like the SCA. I'd really like to see that happen too. Lance's RSWs are a whole lot of fun to spar with - and certainly do make it easy to do some full on training without having to get kitted out. They are VERY aptly named too...!
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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 15, 2007 10:02:31 GMT
Sword and buckler vs longsword
Sword and buckler vs basket hilted sword and buckler
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2007 20:21:30 GMT
That was very interesting to watch Lance. I'll make some more comments for you to discuses with your fighters if you wish.
vid 1 - Longsword has to be more defensive. The sword IS your shield. He should block the incoming strike then step in and bind his opponent. Don't let him step back and take another swing. After he binds the one handed sword he has the two-handed power advantage to maneuver him around, thrust through the bind or strike with false edge while keeping his blade between himself and the opposing sword. The best strike defends and attacks in one motion.
The bucklerman on the other hand wants to keep his sword free and bind the longsword with his buckler. It hard to catch a fast moving strike with a small buckler, kind of like trying to hit a baseball with a bat. I will suggest something that works for me in that case. Initially use the longer sword to stop the other sword, step in and transfer the opposing sword to the buckler, then when the bucklerman has freed his sword and the enemy sword is on his buckler he can strike. The trick will be to execute the transfer. The longsword should not let him do so.
Vid 2- I have the same comment to offer in the second vid that I did in the first. It is clearly beyond their skill level (and mine for that matter) to catch a fast moving sword with a small buckler. So the answer is, use the bigger weapon. Use the sword to block and then transfer the opposing sword to the buckler. Then strike safely. After they get use to this idea of transfering, they may want to try a low high defence. Use the buckler to defend hight, and the sword to defend low.
In general you don't want to commit to an attack unless you have something in front of the other weapon so you can defend yourself. Of they were using single sword only, they would have to use their own forte. That is way rapier movements are so small. With rapier you are attacking with the point while at the same time defending with the fore and quillions.
I would like to see some combat with full size shield if you have any. That should be very interesting. I think you will find that the matches last longer as the fighter are better able to defend themselves.
BTW, don't take insult to my comments, I realize you may be fully aware of what they are doing or not doing, but I want to comment for the benefit of other people browsing this forum.
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Post by ShooterMike on May 16, 2007 2:03:02 GMT
I really like the weapons that you guys use. It eliminates the need for heavy, hot, and expensive armor. I hope it catches on world wide and turns into an international association of some kind like the SCA. I'd really like to see that happen too. Lance's RSWs are a whole lot of fun to spar with - and certainly do make it easy to do some full on training without having to get kitted out. They are VERY aptly named too...! Lance, I have wanted 2-3 RSW training swords since first seeing photos on the internet 6 months ago. What are the possibilities for getting your RSW training swords shipped into the U.S.? I know shipping would be high, but there is nothing like this available here, at least not that I am aware of. Any insight?
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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 16, 2007 10:48:30 GMT
Thanks tsafa for your comments. It's always good to see video viewers treating the sparring serious enough to make sensible comments like you did. So I'm sure none of us would get offended.
Shootermike, we often ship to USA. The shipping charge will be depending on the weight of the package. The packing material alone will weight 2.1 kg fixed, so the more swords we ship, the cheaper it gets per sword. You may message me about the items you want and I will give you a price quote including shipping either through airmail or express. Our backlog is about 1 to 2 months wait.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2007 12:51:29 GMT
Lance: i was looking at some of the other videos you have and one stuck out to me in particular. In one of the fights there was a guy using a spear and a shield, that isn't the way you use a spear. The best way to use a spear is to use it like a quarterstaff with a blade on the end, the staff should be all the shield you need and will give much more mobility. Holding it under your arm and running at the other person whether you have a shield or not is not how the spear was designed to be used especially not in single combat.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 16, 2007 13:49:41 GMT
I absolutely agree with you. However, I can't stop them for being creative and then got the crap beaten out of them in the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2007 18:44:31 GMT
Lance you are too funny. ;D
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 25, 2007 12:05:17 GMT
Here's a video sample of my fight under the new rules today. The weaponry I had faced ranged from two hander to shamshir, basket hilted sword to jian. Should be quite interesting.
I've changed our rules last week and found it fruitful. So I would like to share with you guys and see if it helps you as well. Note that by sparring I mean "freeplay", not paired drill or controlled sparring aimed to practice certain techniques.
First, I'll let everybody get equipped and queue in a line. The first two of them come out to spar and only the victor stays. There were no more multiple rounds bouting. Only 1 round for each match up. Losing it means queuing up again. So there are no time to "getting used" to the opponent. One has to be very well-rounded in order to deal with different opponents coming up from the queue, and very precise in the action so that his stamina may handle the upcoming fresh opponents. Also, there was no "picking easy targets" anymore. Everyone has to spar with whoever comes up. This improve the need of accuracy, refined action, preservation of oneself and the feel of actually fighting with a sharp sword.
Moreover, slight cuts/slices that do not even reach hamstrings were neglected. So the extremely light tapping/slicing favored by the newbies was not considered effective anymore. Then some hamstrings were located closer to skin than the others, like the back of the hands. A light hit there would sever several hamstrings so this would still be a valid tactic. A thrust to the face means instant stoppage, while a thrust to the body or the groin or the legs means the opponent may counter-attack within half a second time, so the thrusting person has to be prepared to defend himself with the thrusting move. This encourages simultaneous defense/attack, or self-preservation after the thrust.
A valid hit to the arms or the hands no longer stop a fight right away. If the injured person managed to change his weapon hand, he could go on sparring. However, this disability would not recover even if he emerged victory. So this encourage not getting hit at all, even if it was not lethal, for one is going to pay for that afterwards. This also encourages a follow-up strike after disabling the upper limb.
With the new changes, I've found the participants sparred with more realism, and as a result, with better techniques and less sloppiness. The longest victory record was that someone managed to hold his place for about 15 duels. Also, the new changes balanced the weapons popularity. In the past where each injury was neglected after a new round start, bigger longswords and great swords enjoyed certain advantages over the shorter, lighter weapons, in both reach and speed. These big swords could be very fast in feints due to the long reach and the leverage produced by the long hilt. However, since the injury to the upper limb carries on the fight, it is now practically lethal to the longer weapon wielding guy if he lose the use of one hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 22:31:25 GMT
That was fun to watch. In the SCA we call what you are doing a "Bear Pit". The bear keeps fighting until he is killed. The person who kills him takes his place. It keeps going from there.
It is good to match people up randomly regardless of skill level. Everyone has something to learn from everyone. When I fight new fighters I experiment with some new stuff. This usually gives the new fighter a better chance to beat me. When I fight skilled fighters, I practice the stuff that works. Fighters much better then me will experiment new stuff on me at practice.
New fighters need to fight experienced fighters in order to learn. Experienced fighters should look for flaws in new fighters and point them out to them. There should be a discussion between the two after they finish fighting. I am sure this is normal in your practices, I am just point it to other people watching.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 2:05:20 GMT
Although your message was clear, I find it important to point out that you mean 'tendons' when you say 'hamstrings'.
Hamstrings are the muscles/tendons across the back of the thigh, i.e. the equivalent muscles of the legs as the biceps are to the arms.
But other than that good show.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 30, 2007 5:02:15 GMT
Yes, tendon indeed. Yes, it's like a bear pit. Here're the videos of me in this new mode of sparring. My opponent's arsenal varied from great swords to jian:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2007 5:21:40 GMT
Last link is not working Lance.
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Post by Lancelot Chan on Jun 30, 2007 10:29:44 GMT
Just the URL then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2007 5:12:37 GMT
I just saw the vids Lance. Good work. I think you guys need to add some shieldmen to your group. The shieldmen will force the two-handed swordmen to fight even better because the open target areas will be very limited. So the two-sword men will have to deliver more accurate blows. It will also lengthen the time of each fight and allow for more combinations, retreats and followups. Right now all the fights are only lasting a few seconds because everyone is on the attack.
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