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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 11:02:39 GMT
Angel Sword. you know they might just be the toughest sword ever made, I don't know, but I just cannot get past their designs. they make me want to puke! I'm sure some people love them and think they are beautiful, I'm just not one of them. I generally don't like their designs either. However, I often think they have good ideas; like they were on to something but didn't refine their concepts enough. Sometimes I look at them and think that I can seen a really awesome sword in there somewhere.
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Post by vayduong on Apr 25, 2010 15:08:04 GMT
Odingaard is right. I do have an Angelsword. In fact, I have two right now. I also have one custom sword from them that isn't even finished and one on lay-away. However the one I posted a testimonial about was traded in several years ago, that was my first. AngelStone is their own thing. It's kinda like granite. In some review a few years ago, a guy did some cutting with a blade that has an angelstone grip; though the angelstone lasted pretty long on soft targets..... the blade he used had a 1/8" thick blade, so when he tried to cut a small tree, the vibration caused the grip to crack: As far as I can say. Their looks are a love it or hate it style. Most people here to seem to hate it. Everyone can have their own opinion and I won't argue that. But they can cut! Their blades feature no distal taper and are usually heavy, but balanced really close to the hilt. I have a 43" longsword from them that has a 33" blade. It is 5lbs and balances at 3.5" from the guard. I used to have an Albion Sleepy Hollow Sword that weighed and balanced the same. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, but I read all the trash talk on the other forums but decided to try them out anyways. I'm glad I did. Some may not be. People here like DSA and Gen2, though I often find them repulsive looking but I don't doubt there abilities, and they certainly have a place on a sub$300 forum. But I really do think that when people hear "AngelSword" they automatically draw opinions based on what they have heard others say.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 15:32:14 GMT
That is without a doubt the absolutely coolest-looking gladius I have ever seen Ric-willy. The blade and guard look like they are blued. Is this correct?What is the length of the blade? After i post this I'm going to Angel Swords to find what that is.I've been to their website and they are expensive- however they do seem to have many, many , many fine swords that simply cannout be found elswhere.I wonder if they have a printed catalog they could send in the mail.....thanks for the pics!
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 25, 2010 17:36:01 GMT
I don't have that one, Exile. Wish I did. I can't find it on Angelswords website, that pic is from a few years ago. I don't really have a problem with Angelsword excepting that I can't justify thier prices in my mind. I'd really love to have that gladius tho.
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Post by torawashi on Apr 25, 2010 19:34:32 GMT
That is without a doubt the absolutely coolest-looking gladius I have ever seen Ric-willy. The blade and guard look like they are blued. Is this correct?What is the length of the blade? After i post this I'm going to Angel Swords to find what that is.I've been to their website and they are expensive- however they do seem to have many, many , many fine swords that simply cannout be found elswhere.I wonder if they have a printed catalog they could send in the mail.....thanks for the pics! Yessss a very cool gladius.....speaking of which, here's another one; trouble is, I can't remember where I found the image, dern it! There is a guy on the Isle of Skye off the coast of Scotland who does customs and this may be from his website, just can't remember. I hate getting older! Also, on the subject of beauty, since it's been raised, here is a site that if you haven't already discovered it has some unique one of a kind custom swords that you won't see anywhere else: www.maddwarfworkshop.com/index.htm Enjoy. Jim
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 25, 2010 20:13:37 GMT
Their blades feature no distal taper and are usually heavy, but balanced really close to the hilt. Why is it that they do not use distal taper on their blades? I've noticed their swords tend to be pretty heavy... and supposedly they have state of the art manufacturing, and its not as tho they make them to a certain price-point as some lower end swords do, so they can not afford to work in the distal taper. In my mind, about 99% of sword styles NEED some amount of distal taper to handle and perform like a SWORD rather then a sharp crowbar. With the cost and the manufacturing advantages Angel Sword has... how can they not incorporate some distal taper on their swords? Mr. Watson is also a Martial Artist, is he not? Would he not want his swords to handle and perform as they should?
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Post by torawashi on Apr 25, 2010 20:24:45 GMT
Good point Shadow......puzzles me too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 20:29:14 GMT
That is without a doubt the absolutely coolest-looking gladius I have ever seen Ric-willy. The blade and guard look like they are blued. Is this correct?What is the length of the blade? After i post this I'm going to Angel Swords to find what that is.I've been to their website and they are expensive- however they do seem to have many, many , many fine swords that simply cannout be found elswhere.I wonder if they have a printed catalog they could send in the mail.....thanks for the pics! Yessss a very cool gladius.....speaking of which, here's another one; trouble is, I can't remember where I found the image, dern it! There is a guy on the Isle of Skye off the coast of Scotland who does customs and this may be from his website, just can't remember. I hate getting older! Also, on the subject of beauty, since it's been raised, here is a site that if you haven't already discovered it has some unique one of a kind custom swords that you won't see anywhere else: www.maddwarfworkshop.com/index.htm Enjoy. Jim i'm pretty sure that's a Lundemo... check in the old site
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Post by vayduong on Apr 25, 2010 21:43:10 GMT
Yes, distal taper indeed improves balance and more than likely improves cutting performance. But when I look at swords like Badgerblades (which are known for their durability) you begin to see that swords are often more durable this way. Not historically accurate but tough.
The damascus gladius is indeed an Odinblade. It was for sale at Mastersmiths for a longtime. Sold for just under $3000.
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 25, 2010 22:09:09 GMT
Yes, distal taper indeed improves balance and more than likely improves cutting performance. But when I look at swords like Badgerblades (which are known for their durability) you begin to see that swords are often more durable this way. Not historically accurate but tough. BadgerBlades are monsters... ;D They offer a similar warrenty to what Angel Swords does where if you break it they will fix it out replace it free. Badgerblades cost a LOT less then Angel Swords tho... and are very primative. If I want a hard core beater I might get a Badgerblade... but for the money the Angel Swords cost, with the tech involved in their creation and the martial arts experince of their creator... I would expect not just a TOUGH sword, like BadgerBlades... but a well balanced PERFORMANCE sword that handles well from a martial artists perspective... and I think that would be impossible to achive without some Distal Taper incorprated into most designs.
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Post by torawashi on Apr 25, 2010 22:21:20 GMT
Yes, distal taper indeed improves balance and more than likely improves cutting performance. But when I look at swords like Badgerblades (which are known for their durability) you begin to see that swords are often more durable this way. Not historically accurate but tough. The damascus gladius is indeed an Odinblade. It was for sale at Mastersmiths for a longtime. Sold for just under $3000. Vayduong; thanks for clearing up where that gladius came from rather than the subject of historical accuracy, as Peter Johnsson of Albion Swords has stated, a blade that tapers toward the tip makes the blade stronger, as, if the blade did not taper it would be weaker where the blade joins the tang; thus an untapered blade in and of itself would be brutal but weakened at the tang....as well as being not well balanced. If you made the tang large and strong enough to support that type of blade, you would have a "sharpened crowbar". Jim
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 22:48:12 GMT
Angel Sword. you know they might just be the toughest sword ever made, I don't know, but I just cannot get past their designs. they make me want to puke! I'm sure some people love them and think they are beautiful, I'm just not one of them. I was just looking at one of their swords and I have a question: what is "Angel stone"? Angel stone? really? now they have a rock all their own too? is it virtually indestructible too? that's what they use for the grip material. it's kind of a pale green color but I can't really tell anything else about it from the pictures. I wanted to cry when I saw some of their designs... especially the Roman section... Angle blade: great steel, sad sad design... Seriously and their prices are so friggin high too, up to $10k... I could have a GREAT smith work wonders with that...
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 25, 2010 22:57:39 GMT
Seriously and their prices are so friggin high too, up to $10k... I could have a GREAT smith work wonders with that... I have seen an Angel Sword priced at 22k before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 23:05:31 GMT
Seriously and their prices are so friggin high too, up to $10k... I could have a GREAT smith work wonders with that... I have seen an Angel Sword priced at 22k before. if it was sold, the buyer is well in order for a beating... you could get a katana made buy a Japanese traditional smith for that much... or buy a brand new car...
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Post by torawashi on Apr 25, 2010 23:07:46 GMT
Just went to Angel Sword's website for the first time, had never heard of them before. "We make the toughest high hardness swords" indeed. Seems to me, at those prices, it's like a restaurant posting a sign saying "all you can eat, for only $12,000.00". I know that taste is subjective, but I don't care for the looks of their designs either. I have spoke ;D
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Post by Dom T. on Apr 25, 2010 23:32:49 GMT
I don't really like what I'm seeing on that Angel Swords site (haven't heard of them until this thread). Too much of 'our SPECIAL trademarked' metal or heat-treating or god-knows what else. They probably have their own trademarked wood. Too much 'hype-ing' for me. I'm using that word sorta tentatively. But what I mean is stuff like this quote: "treated with our advanced, proprietary heat treat and cryo process that creates the toughest, high-hardness swords in the world." I guess it's something that every business does though.... Also, yeah, I have no clue what's up with their katana. They're definitely more like 'katana-inspired' swords. They mostly seem to have no curve to them, and they don't seem to have the right geometry, their fittings are... I don't even know, etc. I guess I'm just being nit-picky. Seems to me that they're mostly appealing to an audience that doesn't really know too much about swords. Kinda like, um, Cold Steel. Oooh, and another similarity! They look like they're way more expensive than they should be! Not to be, like, totally hating on them or anything. The distal taper thing kinda bothers me though. They probably get the balance 'right' by putting on even heavier fittings, right? Eh... Back to the topic, eh, I can't really add much more. Dynasty Forge, Cheness, Darksword Armoury, Generation 2, those are like the main beaters in the sword market. Gotta say though, any sword's gonna break if you wail on it enough. No sword's invincible, right? I think that's the general consensus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 23:52:50 GMT
I don't really like what I'm seeing on that Angel Swords site (haven't heard of them until this thread). Too much of 'our SPECIAL trademarked' metal or heat-treating or god-knows what else. They probably have their own trademarked wood. Too much 'hype-ing' for me. I'm using that word sorta tentatively. But what I mean is stuff like this quote: "treated with our advanced, proprietary heat treat and cryo process that creates the toughest, high-hardness swords in the world." I guess it's something that every business does though.... Also, yeah, I have no clue what's up with their katana. They're definitely more like 'katana-inspired' swords. They mostly seem to have no curve to them, and they don't seem to have the right geometry, their fittings are... I don't even know, etc. I guess I'm just being nit-picky. Seems to me that they're mostly appealing to an audience that doesn't really know too much about swords. Kinda like, um, Cold Steel. Oooh, and another similarity! They look like they're way more expensive than they should be! Not to be, like, totally hating on them or anything. The distal taper thing kinda bothers me though. They probably get the balance 'right' by putting on even heavier fittings, right? Eh... Back to the topic, eh, I can't really add much more. Dynasty Forge, Cheness, Darksword Armoury, Generation 2, those are like the main beaters in the sword market. Gotta say though, any sword's gonna break if you wail on it enough. No sword's invincible, right? I think that's the general consensus. their design is one thing that would worry me a lot, were I ever high enough to buy one of their swords... strength in a sword does NOT come only from the steel it's made, but also from the overall design. If you have something that looks fancy (weird to be frank), chances are it won't be able to stand up to a traditional sword, even if the latter is made from lesser quality steel... in both handling, cutting, and overall strength (especially if that tang is bended). With that being said, I am hopping to get some money I've been promised to buy my very first Lundemo *crosses fingers*
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Post by torawashi on Apr 25, 2010 23:57:01 GMT
Dom; just took a look at your drawings thread. Very good.....if I could draw like that I'd be very proud of myself. Keep up the good work! Jim
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 0:53:32 GMT
What happened to this thread? There's like, 4 pages missing...
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Apr 26, 2010 1:01:53 GMT
We lost a few days of posts Lunaman. Some really good posts in this thread too......including yours.
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