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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 7:41:49 GMT
So, I'm getting into playing around with making my own armor. As in...right now. For the first time. I have no Idea what I'm doing. To start off slow, I've decided to make a zunari hachigane/hitaigane/hitaiate/head-shaped forehead guard, whatever you want to call it. Here's what I'm talking about. www.yamatobudogu.com/Zunari_Hachigane_p/021-hachigane-zk107.htmThe differences, here, would be that mine is going to be lacquered and smooth, and it will be comprised of three primary plates instead of two. The first thing I did after reading up as much as I could about antique hachigane was go to the hardware store and buy my raw materials. I bought a piece of 16ga weldable steel sheet, cold rolled, for my base. I took some measurements of my big ol' head, laid out some lines on the steel, then took a hacksaw to it to cut it to size. ...The steel, I mean. Now that I had the pieces of metal ready for trimming, I took a few more measurements of my noggin and laid it out on a piece of paper. Luckily for me, the distance I want it to cover makes the flat sheet come out to exactly 11 inches. Means I didn't need much trimming of the paper. Once that was done, I marked the steel. Here's my hand for scale. So, next steps: Trimming (No problem) Dishing (Slight Problem) For the dishing...anyone have any pointers? I'm decent at smashing things, but I would like to know what I should be smashing said things on. Any and all suggestions would be welcome!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 14:01:19 GMT
Try beating on it with a bag of lead shot or a sandbag under it. This will support it and let you dish it to the degree that you require. Use a soft hammer, either a wooden one, or the rubber faced ones that you can get anywhere. You should be able to control the dishing pretty well using this method. If you are able, round the face of a wooden mallet over and you will get better results.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2010 16:22:54 GMT
Try beating on it with a bag of lead shot or a sandbag under it. This will support it and let you dish it to the degree that you require. Use a soft hammer, either a wooden one, or the rubber faced ones that you can get anywhere. You should be able to control the dishing pretty well using this method. If you are able, round the face of a wooden mallet over and you will get better results. Awesome. Just the kind of thing I was hoping for. Definitely going to be using a large rubber mallet, but the sandbag idea is one I hadn't considered. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 3:14:53 GMT
Got the two big primary plates cut out. Used a hacksaw, large file, and attempted to use a really dull electric saw...which failed miserably. Next comes the brow plate and some pounding, smashing and bending to get them all shaped to my head.
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Post by worldantiques on Mar 19, 2010 8:48:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2010 16:36:11 GMT
Awesome. These are the types of images I was looking for. This is the actual hachigane that I was basing my plans off of, as I'm a fan of the multiplate look. The images that you linked, though, are going to help a LOT. Thanks! Edited to add: Oh, and I forgot to mention. Mine won't collapse like this one. I'm not good enough for that.
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Post by worldantiques on Mar 19, 2010 20:13:53 GMT
Awesome. These are the types of images I was looking for. This is the actual hachigane that I was basing my plans off of, as I'm a fan of the multiplate look. The images that you linked, though, are going to help a LOT. Thanks! Edited to add: Oh, and I forgot to mention. Mine won't collapse like this one. I'm not good enough for that. Yea there are a lot of complex measurements needed on the collapsing ones, they look simple but its not as easy as it looks. I want to see the finished product! I just posted some more pics of 3 hachigane that are more like the type you are making, except these ones have a long mantle attached to them, check them out. s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/estcrh/hachigane/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2010 20:57:14 GMT
Yea there are a lot of complex measurements needed on the collapsing ones, they look simple but its not as easy as it looks. I want to see the finished product! I just posted some more pics of 3 hachigane that are more like the type you are making, except these ones have a long mantle attached to them, check them out. [/IMG] s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/estcrh/hachigane/[/quote]Awesome. Those pics are an invaluable help at this point! Thanks for that. I've got plenty of visual research to do, now. +1 I'm going to get to dishing, next.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Mar 21, 2010 21:41:51 GMT
I'm a little late here and I'm no expert but I'll chime in a little bit. another way you can dish is to work with the ball peen of a hammer, start in the center of your piece and make a spiral pattern of hammer hits out from the center. working over a small hold or depression helps a lot. this way you get a realy rough first step but it works quickly. the second step is to use a ball and planishing hammer to smooth it out. this takes a lot more time than the initial dishing but as I understand it is a fairly accurate method for making dished parts. at least for European stuff, but I would think the Japanese might have done it that way too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 20:47:24 GMT
Hyoujin-If you check pge 3 of this site you'll find a place/thread on making your own armour-with a link to a site-www.sengokudaimyo.com-it is a fairly comprehensive site as far as I can tell!Hope this helps-D.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 19:58:27 GMT
Out of curiosity, why would one wear a hachigane instead of, say, a helmet?
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