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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 19:46:15 GMT
woo! I love those Jian and Dao married to western-styled hilts! I find it very strange that they look so very appropriate for one another; I thought that something like that wouldn't look good, but they look great! Maybe it's the ring pommel, I know a lot of older sino-asian designs have had ring pommels.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 22:42:02 GMT
**UPDATE***Thanks, guys. Yea, I should add that SonoftheHighlands has dibs on the Celtic Boromir, and LiamBoyle has first claim to those S-Hilted chinese swords. And this last, very unique design, is for Mr. Pepperskull. Here it is. I've also added it to the first post (Scroll down to see it there). Let me know what you think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 23:01:51 GMT
Gorgeous! I love it, Lunaman!
A bit of info on this particular style:
This design that Lunaman has so graciously provided me with is of a Kris sword, belonging to the Moro people (of Malay ethnicity) in the southern Philippines. This particular Moro Kris is an 18th century style from the Sulu region.
The look of this particular sword may be confusing to some of you, so I'll explain it a bit. It is indeed a double-edged sword and is held so that the blade curves foreward. A unique feature of the Kris is that the crossguard is integrated into, and is essentially an extention of, the blade itself. The fullers at the base of the blade are talismanic, some believe to house the sword's 'Jen', or spirit. Through meditation, it was believed in the past that the owner of the sword would call upon the blade's Jen to imbue him with bravery, protection, or cetrain supernatural abilities while in battle.
Again, superb job, Lunaman!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 3:21:29 GMT
You're too kind, sir. That one definitely was a new zone to venture into, but it was a fun drawing on which to work. Just a unique and uncommon blade. It's nice to broaden my horizons a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2010 1:04:33 GMT
....I had something to add, but I forgot what it was. Anyway, four new designs! Check 'em out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2010 1:28:02 GMT
very skillful drawing on your part!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2010 7:15:57 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 16, 2010 22:00:22 GMT
I see ring pommels, I LOVE ring pommels... But that shortsword is my favorite of the new designs, I like.
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Post by Dom T. on Feb 18, 2010 6:17:54 GMT
Oh wow, just... wow. And I keep saying that. I need to stop getting wow'd. Nice to see you added a bunch more awesome drawings since the last time I checked this thread. Really like the dao-looking one with the ring pommel. I think the kris should be more pointy because... um... pointy. Dunno why. Just... pointy. The force is telling me pointy, so pointy it must. Yeah, I don't understand myself either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2010 6:56:39 GMT
The lighting in the reference pics I sent Lunaman flushed out the point I believe. You are right though, Moro Kris from this period of time (18th century) did have more narrow points, as they were transitioning from Keris daggers to Kris swords at this time and were in their infancy in terms of development.
Later interperetations of the kris (late 19th-20th centiry. These were used against the Japanese in WWII) did indeed have rounder points. This is because the purpose of this weapon went from a stabbing dagger to a more slashing-oriented sword.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2010 18:30:56 GMT
Oh wow, just... wow. And I keep saying that. I need to stop getting wow'd. Nice to see you added a bunch more awesome drawings since the last time I checked this thread. Really like the dao-looking one with the ring pommel. I think the kris should be more pointy because... um... pointy. Dunno why. Just... pointy. The force is telling me pointy, so pointy it must. Yeah, I don't understand myself either. Yea, I'm one for pointier tips myself (see pretty much everything else I've drawn ) but all the reference photos I was given had rounded points, so that's what I put. I was just making a rough approximation of the overall look, nothing set in stone. (Though even a rough approximation takes a WHILE to make; I was lucky enough to have a couple days off to make these or there's no way I'd have had enough hours.) I still think it's a really interesting blade shape. I never would have thought about one like that myself before, but now I have a respect for it. Thanks for looking!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2010 22:00:59 GMT
I see ring pommels, I LOVE ring pommels... But that shortsword is my favorite of the new designs, I like. Sean, I hear you. Of the new batch, that's the one I'd most like to swing around. SonoftheHighlands gave me some ideas for inspiration and I tweaked some images in my head into that. It's obviously wholeheartedly based on the sword of Boromir from the Lord of the Rings, but I made some adjustments. The screen-accurate sword is just a massive beast, and of my favorite real versions (the Christian Fletcher Redeemer, for one) it is often remarked that you have to contend with the screen-designed pommel being too big and heavy if you size it down to a true-blue one-hander that's lighter. I worked some celtic knot elements into the carved grip, I took a bit off of the blade, and lightened the pommel with some deep grooves, but the biggest change I imagined was sizing. I'm glad you could tell on-sight that this was meant to be a shortsword; I thought it would work well as a riding sword along the size and weight distribution of a Windlass arming sword with a shorter blade or like one of the Albion type XIV's (though I think this looks a little more like a broad XVI). Quick, but with some power in the compact package from the wide blade, profile tapered to distribute the mass closer to the guard. I certainly like it. It's almost like a more "portable" and "finesse" version of the big burly Borormir. It kind of strikes me as the sort of sword I'd imagine Faramir carrying around, flashing in the light to take down a foe before he disappears amongst the trees... (I never really cared for the sword he had in the films) It's a brotherly blade.
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Post by Dom T. on Feb 20, 2010 7:53:31 GMT
Ah, okay, I think I understand the whole pointy and round...-y kris thing now. Had only seen pointy ones before, I think. Never knew about the whole dagger to sword transition, and the rounded tip. I also think that Boromir sword would be heck of a fun sword to use. Also, it reminds me a bit of the Valiant Armoury Bristol, which I believe is also a type XVI, which I really am drooling over right now. I think shadowhowler also really likes the Bristol, based on that review he did... whenever ago that was. Maybe it would handle similarly to the Bristol? Also I believe someone mentioned elsewhere on sbg awhile back that the swords in LotR books were single handed and used with shields, but I could be mistaken. Read them much too long ago, at too young of an age, and remember too little. But, yeah, if they are indeed single-handers in the books, then this could be a more 'canonical' version of Boromir's sword or something. Then you can use that for marketing! ;D Oh, and it's great how you draw curved swords so well, such as the cutlass and the... the... uh, they don't have names, do they? Hahahah. I've tried to draw various curved swords (during class, unfortunately, lol), but they've all turned out as garbage. Granted, I'm not nearly as talented as you are in drawing (ooh, sounds like I'm sucking up here, but seriously tho, your stuff's really freakin' good, esp. the ridiculous amount of shading and detailing and... yeah). And I actually can't really draw straight swords very well either... uh, where was I going with this?... Oh, uh, you think you have any particular way you proportion the swords, like use rulers for measurements or something? I mean, I don't expect to draw, ehem, master pieces like your designs overnight. Just wondering if you have any pointers for those of us who want to draw swords that don't look like misshapen pool noodles . Oh, oh! Maybe you could make another super-awesome thread that's, like, a step-by-step process of how you draw up your designs. Like, those guides to tsuka-maki or whatever else, except for drawing! Hm, I would think it'd be a giant hassle though.... Oh, and sorry if I jump around the place and am otherwise incomprehensible. I seem to always type these only when it's way past my bed-time. Oh, I think I may have gone off topic by a few hundred miles as well. Sorry about that. I'll see if I can edit this some more in the morning, if I remember. Also, if I'm getting annoying or if some parts of my post are glaringly idiotic in some manner, or something else, feel free to tell me. Don't want to annoy anyone. Just always unfocused, especially this late at... night. Anyways, I look forward to seeing any new designs you may conjure up in the future. A+ to you, good sir. ...And holy cannoli, Batman! That's one giant wall of text!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2010 23:43:46 GMT
Thanks, Dom! I'm also a big fan of the Bristol, though this sword would likely have a bit more mass too it, but it's a similar type, for sure. As far as how I draw or pointers to give, that's a bit hard to explain--I don't know HOW I draw per se, other than than I put pen and pencil to paper and where you see darker areas, that's where I went ahead and put down some ink or graphite... Obviously it's not quite that simple , but I can't really word how I draw, it's like asking somebody how they go about "walking" or "standing." It's a tactile thing, not a mental one, and just like "walking" or "standing," I wasn't very good at it when I started, but the more I practiced over the years the easier and more automatic it became. And (hopefully) I'm much better at it now. If you want the "nuts and bolts" of how these drawings are made, you have to keep in mind that the ones shown here are just the final step. They look deceptively simple and straightforward, but each of those began with at least two previous complete drawings that were messy and loose sketches, some of them more than six. I drew up nine different versions of the longsword pommel alone. Don't be discouraged when the first approximation you draw of an idea looks a little wonky--my first drafts look ridiculous. The key is just to draw LOTS of ideas first, and not worry about how good they look. When you worry about getting a line "right," you tense up and get these tentative wobbly lines and tiny drawings that look, well, bad. I just use a pencil, loosen up and FLOW. ESPECIALLY with curved swords. A smooth curve can only be made with a confident hand movement. So I go ahead and be confident and bold with the line, and just draw it lightly. Then I draw it again, and again, right on top. I keep the lines I like, erase the ones I don't. Magic. Once I get a sketch I like and have tried out different ideas, I lock down the design on a new, blank sheet. I draw a light pencil line with a ruler for the base, and then make small marks to indicate a sense of the basic dimensions. Fun fact: NOBODY can draw perfectly straight lines. So I use a ruler. If the sword is symmetrical and straight, it might look simpler, but those are actually more complicated to do, because you gotta measure and make straight lines that match up on both sides. So I measure them to start equal distances from either side of the center and get them in as best as I can, still using a light pencil line for everything. I sketch in the basic shapes lightly until I have a line I like for the outline of every part. (I put dark outlines around all the elements in these designs so it's easier for me to see where each component ends) Then I take a pen and make the final outlines on top of the best lines I made, doing my best to move smoothly. Again, I use a ruler on the straight parts. I erase all my stray pencil lines, and there's my blueprint. Then I put in the tones and "shading" as it's popularly called, with graphite, a process which, frankly, is impossible to explain. I just, you know, hold the sword in my mind and....draw it------ all the grunt work and dimensions and technical noise is done, so I know where the drawing has to fit, and I just...I dunno, I draw the sword. I stand and walk. Then I sign my ridiculous gaudy signature and get a snack. Then I put the paper under a decent light source and take a picture, upload it to my photobucket and crop it/lighten it/darken it so it looks like the drawing and put a bronze tint over it so they all have similar light. Finito. It's nice to hear compliments, but most of what makes a drawing look good is just putting in the time. I put in the time, anybody can. I've just had a chunk of practice. ............................................................................... What's frustrating is that when I'm at school, I don't really have the time to put in on most days, lol. All the finished drawings in this thread were made during a vacation or break. Also, back home's where I have the camera that takes good pictures that don't turn the drawing into a blurry mess. However, I was in class yesterday and did some drawing while people were giving powerpoint presentations. I drew a version of my old standby: the first ever sword design I posted on here. Here's a picture from my crappy phone camera: 'Course, I had two hours of listening to people babbling to spend on it. That's the go-to sword I draw when I mindlessly doodle; I've made a few versions of it. You know why? Notice how there's not a single straight line in the whole thing? I don't usually have a ruler with me, and nobody can draw perfectly straight lines. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 6:04:54 GMT
I have dibs on that one too!!!!! Me LIKEY!!!! LOL
As always, great work Luna! In all actuality, how functional would this 'doodle' be? In length, weight, balance, handling, etc?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 1:15:43 GMT
Haha, thanks SonoftheHighlands. I think it would probably be pretty close to the previous boromir design in overall dimensions, though balanced a bit closer to the hilt because of the simpler pommel and flare at the base of the blade. We found out pretty quick with the SBG fantasy bastard that that blade profile makes for a beefy blade with a closer-than-you-would-expect POB, because of the substantial guard and flare at the base. Even a bit TOO close when you add a big pommel and a long handle, but this version should probably be more reasonable with the exaggerated width of the leafblade and the smaller, one-handed dimensions. Only way to be sure how it handles would be to get it made, though.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 1:17:02 GMT
**UPDATE***I finished another design! I've also added it to the first post (Scroll down to see it there). Let me know what you think. This one has first dibs by our good friend Bloodwraith.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 3:51:51 GMT
A) Would you be able to send me some dimensions for the 2nd Boromir sword? Whichever you feel would be a better sword over all? B) The new design looks as if it is made from one long piece of thorn wood or something. As if it were organic, just looks that way to me with the thorns and all. Kick ass design by the way!
May I be the first to give you +1 for the awesome new drawing!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 4:53:39 GMT
That is just absolutely stunning lunaman and will be my next blade, that handle will look absolutely stunning carved in purpleheart, now I just have to sell nyere , march can't come soon enough! Very much appreciate this one my friend, your drawings are amazing a rare +1 from me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 5:04:49 GMT
That's very beneficent, bloodwraith. Glad I could help
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