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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 16:48:02 GMT
Hello people. I have a H/T Viking and I'm very impressed with its quality (great heat treat, distal taper, balance...) so I'm going to buy another H/T sword and I'm thinking about Great Sword of War, Bastard and Longsword. I know what to expect of Great sword, but I'm interested in differences between the Longsword and Bastard. I handled them both in store before and I like them both but the differences in cutting ability is what I would like to know. Longsword is heavier and the blade is wide at the base but tapers drastically, more than Bastard's blade so I can't say which will cut better with just holding them and looking at them. And for the sake of argument let's say they are equally sharpened and I'm comfortable with both of them regarding dimensions and feel. Tom K., I would especially like to hear your opinion as I'm quite sure you cut with both of them, right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 17:04:24 GMT
I have a H/T custom longsword and it cuts amazingly well for a XVIII... did you see my cutting vids? Cut through pretty thick cored newspaper rolls easily. Would lob off an arm for sure if you added some power. For me, the bastard's blade is pretty short, I prefer a longer blade since I very rarely use hand-and-a-halfs single-handed. Heck, I prefer longswords anyway (except on tactical style swords). That said, both will cut and thrust very well, the one only has a longer blade and hilt. Now it comes down to what you want... Ohh, just so you know, I'd feel quite confident in using the longsword one-handed if I had to. It's so light and well balanced that you can do so without problems.
Tom, if you chime in... in your bastard cutting vid you used a wrap shot on a two-handed sword... is that historical? I know quite a bit back edge attacks but I've never seen that one... I tried it out on the pell and it does work nicely, pretty good for hitting someone around his defense... anyways, I'd just like to know if that's historic and if you have used that one succesfull in a fight.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 17:43:10 GMT
Yes, I've seen it, but I usually don't put much fait in videos, cutting always look easy and smooth on videos. I don't plan to use these swords single handedly although I did notice I could when I handled them last time, and that's good... Btw, I'm used to handle quite big swords so Longsword would maybe fit me better and it is still a light sword. I might take it over Bastard. But when I see the Great sword of War, I'm afraid I won't be able to hold back my self. I love big, brutal, bad ass swords...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 17:50:15 GMT
If you don't plan on single-handling it I would definitively go for the longsword... the GSoW is nice too but I found it to be too heavy for my style and too bad of a thruster. It's certainly not a sword for quick fencing plays which I prefer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 20:46:11 GMT
If you don't plan on single-handling it I would definitively go for the longsword... the GSoW is nice too but I found it to be too heavy for my style and too bad of a thruster. It's certainly not a sword for quick fencing plays which I prefer. The GSoW is a really nice blade, but I will reinforce the above opinion that for the thrust it leaves much to be desired.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 21:23:12 GMT
Yes, it is a very specialized design, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 21:26:54 GMT
Yet it is a design that excells at its purpose, don't you think?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 21, 2009 21:54:47 GMT
Hi guys,
I have only cut with the H/T bastard and not the longsword though I hear great things about the longsword.
the bastard sword is FAST man, and I mean FAST. even in one hand it is quick and lively. even with the crap-tastic edge it came out of the box with it cut better than I anticipated but once I put a good sharp edge on it that sword became a very fun and powerful cutter. I just love the way it moves.
as for wrap shots with a two handed sword being historical, I'd say probably not. it is hard enough to argue their historical plausibility with single handed swords. also doing a wrap in a fight with a two handed sword leaves you pretty open with no real defence other than movement so I consider it to be a bad idea. all that being said I'm pretty sure I have landed one or two wraps with a bastard/long sword in SCA fights, but I've done enough of those that I have had all sorts of odd-ball things happen at some point or another.
I'd say it really depends on what you want. I think the bastard might be more fun to play around with because of its speed and the variety of things you can do with it but the longsword is for sure better if you want to do traditional longsword stuff and use two hands all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 22:08:39 GMT
Yet it is a design that excells at its purpose, don't you think? Yes and I love that maybe even more than a nice allround sword. It's a Hero's sword.
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Post by shadowhowler on Dec 21, 2009 22:12:31 GMT
I Recently aquired the Hanwei/Tinker Fullered Bastard sword... and I agree with Tom, its FAST. Its so light and well balanced, its a super quick sword. The factory edge does need some work... as does the metal locket on the scabbard which scrapes the blade, VERY bad. However... the sword itself is a nimble super quick blade. I also want to aquire a GSoW... and I'm currious abut the longsword.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 22:12:51 GMT
Hi guys, I have only cut with the H/T bastard and not the longsword though I hear great things about the longsword. the bastard sword is FAST man, and I mean FAST. even in one hand it is quick and lively. even with the crap-tastic edge it came out of the box with it cut better than I anticipated but once I put a good sharp edge on it that sword became a very fun and powerful cutter. I just love the way it moves. as for wrap shots with a two handed sword being historical, I'd say probably not. it is hard enough to argue their historical plausibility with single handed swords. also doing a wrap in a fight with a two handed sword leaves you pretty open with no real defence other than movement so I consider it to be a bad idea. all that being said I'm pretty sure I have landed one or two wraps with a bastard/long sword in SCA fights, but I've done enough of those that I have had all sorts of odd-ball things happen at some point or another. I'd say it really depends on what you want. I think the bastard might be more fun to play around with because of its speed and the variety of things you can do with it but the longsword is for sure better if you want to do traditional longsword stuff and use two hands all the time. Thanks Tom. I went to review section and realized you did the bastard and Shooter Mike and others did the Longsword. Basically it seems that both swords cut well and I just have to make my mind between them. Or just take the warsword and cut anything that crosses my path.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 4:58:55 GMT
You just have to decide if you want to wear frilly clothing and tights or if you want to wear maille and a Greathelm.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 5:08:46 GMT
I have had a lot of fun with the long sword, cutting and thrusting. I would say it is better suited to two hands but not bad in one hand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 14:29:22 GMT
You just have to decide if you want to wear frilly clothing and tights or if you want to wear maille and a Greathelm. Go and tell Mike he has to wear frilly clothing and tights next time he has a cutting session with his Longsword.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 14:41:11 GMT
Yet it is a design that excells at its purpose, don't you think? I am in total agreement with you there. it is a very intimidating blade, and capable of devastating cuts.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 22, 2009 14:57:15 GMT
actually wouldn't the bastard sword be just as much from a time of frills and tights as the greatsword? and even more so since the bastard sword would be even more of an out-on-the-town sword than a battlefield sword, right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 15:19:22 GMT
Yes, both bastard and longsword are from the fancy clothing period. I don't know about the great sword, I really don't know what late 13th and early 14th century clothing looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 22:06:29 GMT
I don't think that civilians went walking down the streets with greatswords strapped to their sides, but then again, I wasn't there. Luka, I would be afraid of Mike with any sword regardless of his attire.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 22:45:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 23:01:36 GMT
Hahahaha, "fancy clothing period." Sweet! That's officially my first criteria in looking at a sword now. Of the three, I have the most interest in the Longsword because I love the complex geometry of the blade. The bastard and great sword of war are great designs, but both are really straightforward and simple. That longsword blade is really intriguing with all of its subtle changes along the length. And I can't get that video out of my head where ShooterMike uses a sharpened H/T longsword and demolishes a tatami mat in less time than it takes to sigh. It was QUITE impressive.
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