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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 13:03:46 GMT
Good day good swordsmen. I am new here and grateful to be in your circle. Thank you for the privilege. I will buy my first sword tomorrow. I want a short practical/durable Japanese sword. I have narrowed it down to two; the Hanwei practical ninjato (everyone loves an overweight 50 year old ninja), and the Cheness Tenchi Ko Katana. I would be grateful for any opinions on these two swords. Thank you for your time and knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 13:17:15 GMT
I perhaps shouldn't reply as I don't have an opinion on those swords but as a forty nine year old overweight swordsman (Well, in my mind I'm a swordsman even if my body hasn't quite caught up yet)I feel a certain kindred spirit and wanted to welcome you to the forum and urge you to go over to the new members welcome wagon and say "hi", it's not required or anything but you'll get a nice warm welcome and it makes you feel all toasty inside.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 13:25:58 GMT
If your looking for a short/durable katana try looking at the Cheness Oniyuri katana.The blade is only 23in long but the tsuka is 14 inches.I had one and loved it,the saya is a standard length,longer than the blade so it looks like a longer blade but you draw is faster.Here is the SBG swordstore page on it. sbg-sword-store.sword-buyers-guide.com/oniyuri.htmlBTW WELCOME you'll find this a great place to meet and talk to great people about our obsession/sickness or SAS (sword aquisition synrome)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 14:20:38 GMT
Go Hanwei! You will b e much happier with your purchase.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 14:29:43 GMT
Those are two very different swords. The ninjato has a straight blade and the ko-Kat is curved like a katana. Depending on your taste and what you plan on using the sword for, one might not suit your needs over the other. I'm not a fan at all of the ninjato, but I own a Dynasty Forge class-b ko-kat that I just love. www.wiwingtiswordsupply.com/dynastyforge1060classbkokatana.html There are many good quality short-bladed swords available and you can't really go wrong with Cheness, Dynasty Forge or Hanwei.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 15:18:39 GMT
Go Hanwei! You will b e much happier with your purchase. Why? (by the way thank you for your response)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 15:22:05 GMT
I perhaps shouldn't reply as I don't have an opinion on those swords but as a forty nine year old overweight swordsman (Well, in my mind I'm a swordsman even if my body hasn't quite caught up yet)I feel a certain kindred spirit and wanted to welcome you to the forum and urge you to go over to the new members welcome wagon and say "hi", it's not required or anything but you'll get a nice warm welcome and it makes you feel all toasty inside. Thank you very much. I imagine us both waddling into the battle field shoulder to shoulder stopping to catch our breath and a snack. One should not fight hungry. :-) Thanks again.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 20, 2009 17:36:36 GMT
LOL Charlz, I have actually done the "waddle onto the battlefield" thing and if you skip over to the General training forum you can see my fatness spar with Hiroshi (another plus sized swordsman) in a video that is likely on the second page down in the forum. I have a more recent video with Hyojinsama but I have less belly going on there and I move a lot better.
any way on to your questions: the reason Hanwei was recomended is because a lot of people do not like Cheness' fittings. I am one of them. I have owned a few Cheness swords and I have cut with, sharpened and handled several more. personally I do not like their TH stuff AT ALL. the only swords I would ever buy from Cheness are their differntially hardened ones. why? well there's a matter of personal taste, and then there's the fact that 9260 has a slightly lower abraision resistance than regular 1060 meaning it will dull quicker. this can be mitigated by higher hardness. but none of that is really the issues that most people complain about in regards to Cheness, just me. most people hate on Cheness zinc-alloy fittings, their improper handle wrap technique, the poor fit the swords tend to have to the saya, and the high probability of splitting tsuka (handle) cores. I don't like the shape of Cheness tsuka (handles) but I have never seen one that was splitting out of the box. I have caused them to split though use and I have seen a splitting NAKAGO (tang of the sword) yikes! but never a splitting core from the factory. the rest of the above complaints I agree with.
Hanwei, on the other hand makes REALLY good fittings and their stuff fits together VERY well. they don't have a kokatan that I know of and while I dislike ninjato the Hanwei one is a pretty decent sword and certainly a lot better than any other brand of straight ninjato you will find. If I wanted a kokatana I would get a kokatana, if I wanted a ninjato I would get one of those. you gotta ask yourself what you want here. for kokatana I would go with something from SwordNArmory, Dynasty Forge, or destiny blade or if you really want the good quality stuff and are willing to pay for it Kensei. also don't believe this hoo-ha about through hardened swords being so much tougher than DH swords. technically it is true but the difference is so slight that if you get a well made sword of either type you will never notice the difference. especialy in something as short as a kokatana or wakizashi
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 18:24:26 GMT
I own the tenchi ko kat and I LOVE it. Great handling, sharp, durable and a heck of a cutter. Seriously, everything what Tom said is right but I wouldn't worry about quick dulling of 9260 cheness stuff. I didn't have to resharpen my tenchi for about 1 year with very abusive cutting and then it needed only a touch up. So, yes, differential hardened blades keep the better edge but the edge on the tenchi is more than resilent enough... did I say resilent? The tenchi si one of the toughest production swords out there, I've hacked trough 2" thick branches, cutting stands and pretty much every kind out wood that grows in our garden. Not a single chip, dulling whatsoever. Just the polish was a little scratched. Anyways, trust me, you're not going to break any 9260 cheness sword unless you REALLY want to.
The cheness fittings aren't as good as hanwei's but they get the job done. I didn't have problems with mine.
To sum it up, I'm sure you would be happy with a cheness 9260 sword, be it the tenchi ko kat, the oniyuri or any other sword. I'm also pretty sure that the ninjato is a really good sword and now it just comes down to what you want. A curved sword is easier to cut with for a newbie but once you're experienced enough straight sword wil work too.
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Post by sparky on Dec 20, 2009 18:47:30 GMT
Get them both! ;D One sword is just not enough! feed the addiction!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2009 19:58:16 GMT
Go Hanwei! You will b e much happier with your purchase. Well said.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 20, 2009 21:22:33 GMT
also please disregard the myth that curved swords are easier to cut with. we have the requisite knowledge here on this forum to teach a new cutter the proper way to handle either. Sorry Chenessfan, I just hate that belief and I am out to squash it.
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Post by sparky on Dec 20, 2009 23:10:55 GMT
also please disregard the myth that curved swords are easier to cut with. we have the requisite knowledge here on this forum to teach a new cutter the proper way to handle either. Sorry Chenessfan, I just hate that belief and I am out to squash it. Here's a link that is in the process of helping me! ;D /index.cgi?board=euromedieval&action=display&thread=13809 There is just so much good information here at SBG that it's easy to miss some. So if you've seen it sorry, if you haven't enjoy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 3:19:32 GMT
Thank you very much. I imagine us both waddling into the battle field shoulder to shoulder stopping to catch our breath and a snack. One should not fight hungry. :-) Thanks again. +1 For the laugh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 3:38:13 GMT
Thanks for the excellent help my new friends. Looks like it going to be the hanwei ninjato.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 21, 2009 5:09:58 GMT
I think you'll like it. hopefully you will tell us how you like it and make us a cutting video or two. I'd love to add one of your cuts to the "Coolest Cuts Archive" it doesn't have to be fancy or a display of amazing skill but I think everyone's first cut is cool so show us your first cut. please.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 5:28:00 GMT
I think you'll like it. hopefully you will tell us how you like it and make us a cutting video or two. I'd love to add one of your cuts to the "Coolest Cuts Archive" it doesn't have to be fancy or a display of amazing skill but I think everyone's first cut is cool so show us your first cut. please. In my opinion it takes a pair of blue steel knick knacks to show off your first cut. I certainly lacked the required equipment. (Meaning, of course, a video camera. Harumph.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 5:28:43 GMT
It depends what you are doing really, if you want to learn to use a katana properly then I wouldn't go with a ninjato or a cheness. I would go for something like Kris Cutlery 26 II, much better blade for the money and more real to what a sword should feel like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 17:19:10 GMT
also please disregard the myth that curved swords are easier to cut with. we have the requisite knowledge here on this forum to teach a new cutter the proper way to handle either. Sorry Chenessfan, I just hate that belief and I am out to squash it. Hold on, I just said it's easier for NEWBIES to cut with them. They don't need to worry about the drawing movement because the blade's curved. That's the way I felt when getting my first sword. Then after enough practice my longsword worked too
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 18:34:03 GMT
I don't agree that it is easier for new practitioners to cut with curved blades, it is just as easy for them to cut with a straight blade, it all depends what you start with.
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