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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 6:17:16 GMT
Hmmm, I'm thinking of moving to Alabama now!? move to texas after you look up the texas castle law. in texas a police academy student told me that a homeowner has the right to shoot a fleeing perp but a cop cant... hey cops need rights too huh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 14:28:30 GMT
This is why I love living in Texas, if you try something on someone's property, you run the risk of getting shot.
Matter of fact my grandmother had some land posted in Nothern Louisiana and had problems with the same group of people trespassing so she finally shot one of them in the butt with a shotgun load of rocksalt. You know that had to sting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 17:11:42 GMT
This is why I love living in Texas, if you try something on someone's property, you run the risk of getting shot. Matter of fact my grandmother had some land posted in Northern Louisiana and had problems with the same group of people trespassing so she finally shot one of them in the butt with a shotgun load of rock salt. You know that had to sting. Here in Oklahoma I had an uncle with a watermelon patch, thieves would try to steal the watermelons He would discourage them by shooting them in the backside with rock salt from a shotgun
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 17:33:54 GMT
WTF!! You had NO right to use lethal force!! You could have killed him!! I appreciate your willingness to help out your neighbor but what you did was a crime and should be punished. How could you even think about shooting at someone with a lethal weapon just because he STEALS something? If he charges with a knife in hand then shoot him but in the back off a man running away? That's... I don't find any words to express that, so lets just say dishonorable and not worthy a man. That kind of behaviour was sneered at for ages for good reasons... You are the criminal, more than the guy how inflicts MATERIAL damage because you took the risk to KILL someone. What would you have felt like if he had died because of you? I hope not good. Should have thought about that earlier. I know american weapon laws are not up to date but the fact that it allows THAT shocks me...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 17:40:48 GMT
This is going to be bad. I will just sit back and watch, for now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 17:50:55 GMT
You're probably right, I got a bit carried away. I still mean everything I said so I will not delete anything nor apologise.
BTW, this should be moved to the forum cafe. Or locked. Whatever, it shouldn't be here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 18:07:02 GMT
I'm trying to figure out who it is you're addressing, chenessfan. I'm assuming your initial post was in response to something swordmonger7 or 14th Forsaken mentioned about their respective family members opening fire on thieves and whatnot. You DID catch that they were using rocksalt, not actual buckshot or any other lethal shell, right? I suppose you could get seriously injured, maybe even dead, if you took a rocksalt shell to the face, but in the ass? I think the only thing that'll be smarting, besides said ass, is pride...something no criminal should be feeling anyway.
I also do not agree with you; it is different to have something of material worth stolen, but quite another when that item is how you put food on the table. So what, you might say- its just a watermelon, or its just foodstuffs it can grow back- but thats easy enough to say when as far as you're concerned, you need only visit your local grocery store to replace it. But when you grow what you eat, it isn't so simple. Farmers don't have it easy, you know- and every piece of food that they can't sell because some animal or human stole it, ate it or simply destroyed it means less income for his family, which means less to go around for everything.
In that light, I can't see what he did as wrong. I look at it like this- the guy could NOT have gotten shot at it if he wasn't there in the FIRST PLACE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 19:02:06 GMT
Ebon, I am sure he was talking about the article the original post referred to. But it is obvious he has come down strongly on the side of the perp.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 17, 2009 19:20:47 GMT
Had the guy run away and not been shot he would have probably thought he was hot stuff and go try to rob another house. He needed to be taught what happens. I agree, otherwise he wouldn't get the point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 19:28:25 GMT
The guy that got shot in the arse? He's lucky that that is all he received; what the hell was he doing looting a partially burned house that wasn't his? Answer me that.
Bingo! @ Owl and Ric
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 19:34:35 GMT
In my case the people were illegally hunting our land and had killed several dogs, they had also threatened me a couple times when I was out on the property fishing (this is when I was like 13) because I was distrubing their hunting. I have no sympathy for them at all. If you go on another person property especially if its posted, kill their animals and threaten their kids, you got whatever is coming to you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 19:42:08 GMT
Wholeheartedly AGREE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 20:04:01 GMT
I was out hiking the other day, and the trail I was using butted up against someones property. They had put up a barbed wire fence with the sign "Trespassers Will Be Shot On Sight". After thinking about it for awhile, I thought "wow, that's genius. I didn't know you could override felony law just by hanging a sign!"
So I went home, and hung a sign on my front door: "Sneakypete doesn't have to pay taxes anymore. And Henceforth he will be called Super King Peter".
I also put a sign on my neighbors door that said "Property of Super King Peter". I'm waiting for them to notice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 20:04:50 GMT
I'm grateful for West Virginia's Castle Doctrine. If someone breaks into my home for any reason, my first thought will be that they are there to do harm to my family. When I moved here, I came from a state without a Castle Doctrine. However, here I can defend my family with whatever force is necessary. As for the looter who took one for the team, well, he got what was coming to him. A wound allows them to find the perp. Like Ebon said, he's lucky that's all he received. The neighbor had no proof that this person would not return to attack him in the evening to protect himself from prosecution. I believe that he did the right thing, in this situation. One person has no right to take from another, lest it's with consent. And by the way this guy ended up, I'd say that consent was missing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:10:41 GMT
That is an awesome story ;D Guy definitely got what he deserved. And no thief can complain to -anything- that happens to them on any kind of job. That is why stealing is so profitable! It is the risk. Because not many people want to take that risk, it increases the available reward in any given case. The whole "more for me" idea. I really never understood the compassion people show to people who steal. It actually baffles me. The risk of injury and even death at the hands of any observer is part of the job. To me, a thief getting maimed or killed is about as crazy and offensive as someone who works as a chef accidentally cutting themselves while chopping vegetables. Come on people. If you really want to be so concerned about criminals, PM me your address. I could use a low (nil) risk, mid-high reward job. (Last part was mostly in jest )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:24:40 GMT
Of course I meant the story about the guy who was hit with an arrow. I don't care about the watermelon stuff and I also agree about anything related to self defense. BUT shooting a man, who has not threatened you in any way, who was FLEEING, in the back is a whole different story and saying he got what he earned is simply wrong and against every human right and modern value. This point of view isn't even appropriate for the middle ages and certainly not for today's society. WTF, the neighbor had no proof? The man RAN AWAY!! Doesn't look like a threat to me, a man running away. You don't shoot someone in the back!!!! I highly condemn such action, it's in no way accordable to modern values. Therefor I think the archer is the real criminal in here, he's a danger to our society based on humanity. You don't hack off the hand of a thief anymore, do you (at least not in Europe and America, I'm not going to talk about the sharia now) so why could you even THINK of taking the risk to KILL someone for a crime he didn't even commit but was going to? How could you even sympathize with someone acting like that?? WHT he learned a lesson?? He almost DIED, a couple inches higher and your beloved archer would be a MURDERER!! How could you defend someone like that?? A man who grabs a deadly wepon so easily and doesn't even hesitate to use it without necessity is downright crazy and a danger to every society!!
"A wound allows them to find the perp"... are you serious?? Sure it does, but do you know what a wound does too? IT KILLS for godness sake!! How could you think a dead man would be worth that? Worth finding a 'perp' who didn't even do anything? Sure, he would have, but he DIDN'T. And if I remember american laws correctly, this guy isn'T guilty of anything yet, except walking on other people's property. Does this give you the right to KILL him? Because that's what would have happend if the shoot had been a bit higher or simply hit a major arterie.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ON SBG ANYMORE!! WHAT IS GOING ON? IS IT JUST ME OR ARE YOU REALLY DEFENDING SOMEONE WHO SHOOT A HARMLESS MAN IN THE BACK?? WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON?
Ohh boy, I'm getting upset now... I'd better stop
BTW, you ask who I mean with "you"? Well, EVERYBODY who thinks about defending this crazy guy and HIM too of course!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:40:59 GMT
Of course I meant the story about the guy who was hit with an arrow. I don't care about the watermelon stuff and I also agree about anything related to self defense. BUT shooting a man, who has not threatened you in any way, who was FLEEING, in the back is a whole different story and saying he got what he earned is simply wrong and against every human right and modern value. This point of view isn't even appropriate for the middle ages and certainly not for today's society. WTF, the neighbor had no proof? The man RAN AWAY!! Doesn't look like a threat to me, a man running away. You don't shoot someone in the back!!!! I highly condemn such action, it's in no way accordable to modern values. Therefor I think the archer is the real criminal in here, he's a danger to our society based on humanity. You don't hack off the hand of a thief anymore, do you (at least not in Europe and America, I'm not going to talk about the sharia now) so why could you even THINK of taking the risk to KILL someone for a crime he didn't even commit but was going to? How could you even sympathize with someone acting like that?? WHT he learned a lesson?? He almost DIED, a couple inches higher and your beloved archer would be a MURDERER!! How could you defend someone like that?? A man who grabs a deadly wepon so easily and doesn't even hesitate to use it without necessity is downright crazy and a danger to every society!! "A wound allows them to find the perp"... are you serious?? Sure it does, but do you know what a wound does too? IT KILLS for godness sake!! How could you think a dead man would be worth that? Worth finding a 'perp' who didn't even do anything? Sure, he would have, but he DIDN'T. And if I remember american laws correctly, this guy isn'T guilty of anything yet, except walking on other people's property. Does this give you the right to KILL him? Because that's what would have happend if the shoot had been a bit higher or simply hit a major arterie. I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ON SBG ANYMORE!! WHAT IS GOING ON? IS IT JUST ME OR ARE YOU REALLY DEFENDING SOMEONE WHO SHOOT AN INNOCENT MAN IN THE BACK?? WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON? Ohh boy, I'm getting upset now... I'd better stop BTW, you ask who I mean with "you"? Well, EVERYBODY who thinks about defending this crazy guy and HIM too of course! Quite frankly I am now convinced you are joking. I mean, seriously? We have to be at least a bit realistic. Calling the man a danger to society? For shooting a innocent looter. Who only wanted to take advantage of some terrible people living out their lives who can afford to lose more than they already had. And we can do without the what if it was higher and hit an organ thing. The arrow also could have missed, hit a gas line and punctured it. And at the same times sparked, causing an explosion that killed hundreds of people. But it didn't. If you are going to blatantly lose focus on the morality of the situation, at least try to keep the naivety based on what actually occurred and not some hypothetically worst cased scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:41:18 GMT
So, does that mean that we shouldn't punish people who attempt to assassinate the president but are stopped by the secret service? They technically didn't kill anyone, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:54:58 GMT
But the punishment isn't the same as if they really did kill the president. I agree that shooting someone in the back for some stealing isn't the most reasonable reaction ever. The archer didn't think: "I'm just going to shot his ass just so that police finds him..." He just took the potentially lethal weapon and shot at the guy who was running away. Do you really honestly think that every thief deserves to be killed because some stealing? He wasn't a mafia boss, I bet most politicians steal more in one corrupt action than this guy would steal through a very long period of time. We don't kill corrupt politicians, right? And they do steal...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 22:08:25 GMT
I believe that corrupt politicians do deserve the same punishment as thieves. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen. And I don't think that thieves deserve the death penalty. However, I also disagree with allowing someone to go unpunished for stealing something from an honest, hard-working person. So given the choice between allowing a thief to escape and possibly never get punished, therefore encouraging him to steal in the future and choice number two - shooting an arrow at the thief, which may or may not kill him, I would most likely choose the latter. I am an avid follower of Gandalf's belief, "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement." I neither condone or condemn the actions of the archer in question.
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