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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 19:40:58 GMT
Like in an unsharpened state, could a Windlass sword cut like a milk container or something of that nature?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 20:15:40 GMT
My windlass Type XIV would cut milk bottle's in its unsharpened state. I could cut a bottle in half once with it, but I certainly couldn't cut ring or chips off of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 21:37:37 GMT
Unsharpened swords can work well against pumpkins and cabbage too.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 12, 2009 21:37:51 GMT
there's a video on youtube somewhere that shows a guy cutting tatami with an unsharpened blade. I can't say it was a Windlass, I don't know what type of sword it was, but long story short, yes. A blunt sword can cut, or tear, or sheer, many different targets. this is also a good thing for people to understand when they decide to spar with blunts: they CAN cut you.
it is an effect of the amount of force that can be generated by the lever effect and then it gets further concentrated as the edge narrows. even though it isn't sharp it still provides a narrower surface for the same amount of force thus concentrating it and increasing its effectiveness. basically.
I will say this though: if you can cut tatami with a blunt sword you are doing something very right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 22:25:14 GMT
Tom, it was actually a training blunt he cut it with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 22:27:33 GMT
I remember that... Short guy with the crazy eyes, right? Hates katanas?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 23:25:19 GMT
It does ring a bell...
Is it this one (a poor version of the one I remember)
or this one (which I hadn't seen before?)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 23:41:08 GMT
With a relatively heavy sword against harder targets I don't think a slightly unsharpened edge would make much difference, since the shearing power would still be the same like you said. Although I imagine lighter swords have to be sharp to cut effectively as they would more cut a target rather than shear into it, am I right or...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 23:54:07 GMT
Also an off topic question for Tom, did that "Late Spanish sword" you reviewed have any distal taper to the blade?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 13, 2009 4:36:08 GMT
on the Late Spanish sword: I'm not really sure. I wasn't able to measure that sort of thing at the time. I think it had some but not much. my only complaint about the sword was it was a touch heavy. but once she was sharpened up I was amazed at the cutting power it had. it is certainlt not a match for the windlass XIV but I think it is one of Windlass' better swords
Lighter swords don't have quite the power usually, no so making them sharper does help. the funny thing is that there's a delicate balance point where a sword can be lighter but cut better because it can attain higher speeds and thus greater force but is a delicate balance to find and easy to slip too far one way or another. generally though heavier swords with POB farther out will create more force and cut better. obviously any sword that is sharper will cut better than any sword of the same spex that is duller. again there's a delicate balance between heavier/faster producing better results than sharper or sharper doing better than heavier/faster and ideally you want a little bit of both. ideally we want a sword that easily generates the most energy through speed and mass and is as sharp as it can be without weakening it. this is starting to sound less like balancing than juggling, or perhaps juggling WHILE balancing. you get the idea though I think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 7:58:32 GMT
I tried cutting a water bottle with my unsharpened Windlass XIV just to see what would happen and it sent the bottle flying across the yard with no damage. I managed to stab the bottle just fine though.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 13, 2009 19:04:04 GMT
lol! yup that's what happens with me most of the time too. we said it possible but not easy. also it should be uderstood that plastic bottles are pretty tough actually, especialy against blunt force. you really need a sharp blade to cut them well. as Jonathan and many of our other new members have noted in their attempts to cut water bottles a blade with what is most likely historically accurate level of sharpness is not easy to cut bottles with. in the middle ages there was nothing at all like plastic in any respect so it is no surprise that a sword sharpened acurately might have trouble with a bottle. it's too bad tatami is so expensive, it really is the most satisfying target (bamboo being a very close second.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 20:58:39 GMT
Yeah, you can actually cleanly cut water filled plastic bottles with fillet knives if you do it right. I'm surprised nobody seems to use water filled cans a while ago I found I could cut them with a pretty unsharp, small decorative sword.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 13, 2009 21:06:15 GMT
I'm surprised nobody seems to use water filled cans a while ago I found I could cut them with a pretty unsharp, small decorative sword.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 21:16:31 GMT
I imagine the cans might sctrach the blade up more than the plastic though, that could be it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2009 15:59:08 GMT
I used to cut branches with an old Windlass I have; unsharpened but it'd cleave right through. I never tried it on lighter media...simply because it hadn't occurred to me at the time.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Dec 15, 2009 2:33:00 GMT
Just curiously, Ebon, what Windlass models do you have? Thanks, Slayer
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Post by enkidu on Dec 15, 2009 14:28:08 GMT
Cutting cans with a blunt blade ? Chop iron blades ! The myth is real !
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 15, 2009 20:19:10 GMT
well chop aluminum anyway, or maybe tin. I haven't seen steel cans in a long time and never iron.
Can CHOP ALUMINUM! yeah doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 15, 2009 20:25:34 GMT
I have heard of a man who chopped brick, yeah.
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