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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 23:01:02 GMT
i started this thread in reaction to what i posted on the higher end sbg custom katana about how i thought a push button release option would be cool. some forumites thought if a swordfight broke out, the push button release might slow them down... I think the talk was entirely theoretical... i don't really think anyone would come out with a sword in hand to "duel" someone... why not just go to the corner store and buy an AR-15 and then do your bidding with that? but yes, I agree with them (sorry) a button release would slow you down, never-mind the fact that it is by no means historical.
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 26, 2009 23:11:56 GMT
Didn't the Japanese have those push button releases in WW2?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 23:18:20 GMT
I was told of a guy who trained in German longsword picking up a pipe to fight a guy coming at him with a wrench. He did a Zwerhau to the guy's head and dropped him strait away
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 23:23:37 GMT
I was told of a guy who trained in German longsword picking up a pipe to fight a guy coming at him with a wrench. He did a Zwerhau to the guy's head and dropped him strait away oh boy... yea, that probably ruined his all day... @ricwillie: I am not sure, I was never into katanas, but I think they were an addition on only few of them, not all (but again, don't take my word for an answer, I am just guessing)
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 26, 2009 23:32:33 GMT
I was told of a guy who trained in German longsword picking up a pipe to fight a guy coming at him with a wrench. He did a Zwerhau to the guy's head and dropped him strait away That'd do it alright. George, I was just looking around and saw this. I'm not really a katana type either. I don't care for release buttons and such either. On a related note, I don't think you'd want the scabbard to fit too tight. From what I've learned, the Romans drew the gladius one handed from the right side. Seems to me you'd want it to come out fairly freely.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 23:44:56 GMT
oh yea, you only want it to be "tight" (not too much though) at the too ends, so it won't fall out while you are walking, but you don't want the sword to be really tight everywhere, because given that your scabbard would have oil and stuff in it, and probs the wood was not totally dry, on a cold day you couldn't pull your sword out (or something like that), but in general, you don't want to use much effort to draw your sword given you will need all the energy you have.
btw, given you have more gladii than me, thoughts on the VA Sig Actium? I have been willing to buy it for some time, but haven't saved enough yet...
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 26, 2009 23:47:01 GMT
It didn't suit me. The pommel was too large for my taste, got in the way in the swing. Nice blade tho.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 0:07:58 GMT
'Tis all to be ended upon the blade of a sword.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 0:52:57 GMT
Ive never been in a "kill or be killed" situation, but I spar with sharpened blades. (With a lot of armour of course)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 2:14:24 GMT
I have never been nor do I ever want to be in a real fight with sharpened weapons. I have no delusions about invincibility, and I know how horrid and messy it would be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 2:26:39 GMT
I was trying to teach a friend some basic forms, and I accidentally gave him a sharp sword rather than a blunt trainer. I let him take a few shots at me to get a feel for everything, but I didn't realize he'd be so zealous about it. I didn't realize my mistake until he nicked my eyebrow. (which gave me a rather cool little scar) That's about the closest I've ever come to an actual duel to the death.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 2:31:49 GMT
Sparring with a sharp sword, armour or not is just asking for trouble. As to the push button release, most of us who have trained in JSA are questioning the point of such a thing because if a saya is made properly and if you are carrying the katana properly then the sword will stay in the saya extremely well and is very easy and quick to draw. As to swordfighting, not a swordfight, a knife fight or two yes and considering how scary such things are I can only imagine a real swordfight. I have done re-enactment and sparring as well but there is always that mental safety blanket that is very hard to get past because you know your opponent won't hurt you and that their sword at best might break a bone but it won't actually kill you. To develop a "fighting" mentality is a back breaking and psychologically painful process, it is why the military elite go through such heavy situations in their training. You have to break down the moral imperative that for most people says "hurting or killing people is unnatural and wrong" and instead build up a psychological shell that negates those imperatives. I believe, in my opinion, it is one of the reasons that PTSD is such a big problem for military people. This is just my opinion and it may be wrong but it is what I have observed.
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 27, 2009 2:58:31 GMT
Claymore, I thought that eyebrow looked a bit off.
Bloodwraith, I agree with you assessment to a point but have to disagree that hurting or killing is unnatural to humans. Seems to me as a species we take to killing easily enough or so it would seem from a historical standpoint. Personally I've never killed someone but I have resorted to violence and inflicted bodily injury on others and I gotta say it seemed the most natural thing in the world at the time, albeit there was serious emotions at play. Granted it plays with your head later.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 5:13:37 GMT
that is why I said most, there are people who are either not born with/have repressed/not been taught about the moral imperative. I personally have a huge capacity for violence but it doesn't feel natural to me and my training often conflicts with said moral imperative. At the time many things may feel very natural, especially when it is an emotionally laden response to something that cause you anger, rage or fear. Also yes, inflicting any kind of harm or damage unless you are trained to shrug it off plays merry hell and the whole concept of shrugging off violence and whatnot is another aspect of PTSD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 5:43:20 GMT
I don't think violence comes naturally to humans in the sense that you don't feel compelled to just beat the living crap out of the guy walking next to you on the street. What I do believe comes naturally (and this is proven) is violent response. Humans, as all other beings, are compelled most time to either fight or flee when in a situation that requires confrontation (known as the "fight or flight" response) and probs people who respond violently edge toward the "fight" side of the issue. It would be perfectly normal for someone with a sword in their belt to draw it and kill someone pulling a sword on them, but the probability of that happening, unless in an out-of-control ren faire situation, is really unlikely. For one, if I were to hear someone breaking into my house would probably pull out a sword/knife and try to confront them, not that I look forward to wounding/killing anyone, but I would rather wound/kill then run the risk of letting them injure/kill my family.
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Post by shadowhowler on Nov 27, 2009 6:15:43 GMT
It didn't suit me. The pommel was too large for my taste, got in the way in the swing. Nice blade tho. Ah... I was looking forward to a review on it from you... no luck?
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 27, 2009 6:23:05 GMT
It didn't suit me. The pommel was too large for my taste, got in the way in the swing. Nice blade tho. Ah... I was looking forward to a review on it from you... no luck? Sorry, Sean, no longer in my possession.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 7:32:33 GMT
I've been in fist fights before, does that count?
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Post by genocideseth on Nov 27, 2009 7:34:20 GMT
I have been in TONS of sparring matches. We made our own boffers and went at each other, full contact, without armor. It REALLY increases you reflexes. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 7:35:47 GMT
The book On Killing by Dave Grossman could shed more light on some of the questions being raised surrounding people's capacity to kill etc. An excellent (if somewhat disturbing) read.
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