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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 1:12:20 GMT
WOW!!! The amount of support all of you have provided is amazing! Thank you!
For myself, the sword does not have to have historical accuracy. It is for actual combat. Quality of the blade is important but at the moment I am strap for cash, but not for long.
The reason I love the gladius so much is because I love to stab. It creates a larger wound and destroys vital organs. Your point is taken on the fuller vs. blood groove term, but I wonder why it is called a fuller. I call it a blood groove because after you stab someone with a sword it creates a vaccum when you try to pull it back out. It is not a powerful vaccum but it does slow you down. A blood groove allows air to get in the hole you just created and helps ease the process getting your sword back. The grooves also fill with blood because of the blood pressure in our body, hence the term blood groove.
Do not worry, I am not a serial killer or anything like that. I am a U.S. Marine Infantryman (0331 if you know what a MOS is) and combat is a way of life. I just don't understand why swords disappeared, they are so effective in close quarters.
Anyway, Thanks again for your support and When I do buy a sword I will be sure to let you know. I will also take some pictures after I frankenstien it out for combat and show you.
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 6, 2009 1:25:42 GMT
We're all aware of where the "blood groove" terminology came from, but I can't remember where the idea was discarded. From my own understanding, though, there is no real "vacuum" effect in stabbing, or you're just doing it wrong. Slice more. I can, though, see how a groove would be beneficial to bloodletting...but the reality of the design was weight in more cases than not. Not sure where "fuller" came from, either, but where the hell did half the terms come from, anyway?  Oh, and a proper cut/slash will create a much larger wound than a stab... Limbs removed, bodies split, blood loss from more vessels than one...but a good stab will do the job quick and easy, too. Bullets are best, ultimately; barring explosives. Good thing you're a Marine.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 1:33:52 GMT
Yeah, my platoon thinks I'm crazy but I believe in the principle of better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. There are is a limit to how many bullets I can carry and you would be suprised how quick they go in a firefight. Your point is taken on the slash/cut vs. stabbing. This is why I chose the mantz pattern because it is an excellent cutter and a brutal stabber.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 1:47:19 GMT
If you actually plan on using a sword for its intended purpose, then you may find this thread useful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 1:59:16 GMT
Being 5'6" should not effect your decision at all. I am considerably shorter than that and use long swords quite comfortably. Although I don't use mine often, I find the roman style blade to be a very effective weapon. Utilitarian; may not cut better than a Kat; thrust better than a rapier, but in close, hazardous situations it is very versatile and it packs a wallop. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 3:23:56 GMT
We're all aware of where the "blood groove" terminology came from, but I can't remember where the idea was discarded. From my own understanding, though, there is no real "vacuum" effect in stabbing, or you're just doing it wrong. Slice more. I can, though, see how a groove would be beneficial to bloodletting...but the reality of the design was weight in more cases than not. Not sure where "fuller" came from, either, but where the hell did half the terms come from, anyway? Oh, and a proper cut/slash will create a much larger wound than a stab... Limbs removed, bodies split, blood loss from more vessels than one...but a good stab will do the job quick and easy, too. Bullets are best, ultimately; barring explosives. Good thing you're a Marine. (Bold emphasis is my own.) Full-er: –noun 1. a half-round hammer used for grooving and spreading iron. 2. a tool or part of a die for reducing the sectional area of a piece of work. 3. a groove running along the flat of a sword blade. –verb (used with object) 4. to reduce the sectional area of (a piece of metal) with a fuller or fullers. From MyArmoury: Hope that helps.  |
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 6, 2009 3:55:03 GMT
Quite, awesome, thanks. Having read that I now remember having read something similar before, many moons ago. This is better than what I read then, though. +1 to you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 8:56:12 GMT
depends on what kind of training you are looking for. if you just want to do backyard cutting and the occasional friendly match then get a nicely weighted bokken and swing that til your comfortable and then move onto a heavier bokken or a blunt steel blade and then onto a sharp sword. If you just move straight to the live blade theres a chance you can hurt yourself or others as your control of the blade is somewhat lacking in the beginning. However, if you are gung ho about learning how to properly cut, and fight/spar with a sword i recommend kendo or kenjutsu as these people are professionals. IMHO I would go with nakamura ryu battodo, toyama ryu battodo, or shinkendo as well as some of the koryu like suio ryu
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 9:48:39 GMT
Actually, from what I've read, I've gathered he's active military and intends to use this as a substitute for a combat knife. So he needs something heavier then a knife for what he has in mind. So obviously this thing being added to his "Battle rattle" needs to be compact and not a 40" length or anything. It needs to be compact enough to easily draw and not get hung up as he's humpin it.
(Correct me if I'm drawing the wrong conclusions from any of this btw)
I think that a gladius is still the way to go as it would be easier to line up with your gear. The curved blade of the Waki would be a bit more cumbersome and I believe that a gladius's scabbard would be easier to modify to set up a blade retention system like a snapping strap so that it doesn't fall out in mid hump.
But with the gladius you'd probably have to modify the handle to set up an easier edge alignment on the fly, but since you like stabbing, then yeah, the gladius is defiantly for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 10:08:55 GMT
What about one of these?
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I know the discussion surrounding it and the reviewer's attitude at the time were a bit--unorthodox, but you can't deny that the thing is tough and tactical. They do some pretty ballsy stuff with it in the video, and it stands up admirably.
EDIT: I forgot about the OP's preference for thrusting/stabbing instead of cuts. This one probably wouldn't be your cup of tea, then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 14:43:10 GMT
That thread was seriously epic, though why would you go for a sword over a knife? A knife if made properly will suit your purposes much better. The swamp rat wakizashi might be a good option as it is already tactical and is extremely resilient. Lunaman: what makes you think that you can't stab effective with it? I think one of the most efficient killing knives and often the unexpected one is a korambit, it will also work well with the martial techniques you get taught as a marine, as far as I know |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 15:26:42 GMT
Why not get ahold of Chris at Scorpion knives traditionalarcherybows.com/ and have him make you one of his Gladius swords with a fuller/blood grove put into it.He does great work and he's not expensive,especially for a custom piece.You said you liked short swords (I've gotten into the lately a lot more) seems that what he makes most off.I,m sure he could make whatever you want or customize anything on his webpage. I own the Achilles sword and it's a nice sword very well made and he's good guy to deal with.Even the Spartan Lakonian Sword might be of interest to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 15:51:48 GMT
Quite, awesome, thanks. Having read that I now remember having read something similar before, many moons ago. This is better than what I read then, though. +1 to you. Thank you, Randomnobody. That's my first Karma! ;D Always happy to help spread information. And to chime in on the subject at hand: I love short swords, always have. I'm a big fan of the kukri when it comes to close combat vs. functionality. I love a nice gladius, I own a wakazashi, but for what you're talking about I'd put my money into a kukri. I've heard nothing but good form this site: www.thekhukurihouse.com/Look forward to seeing what you finally decide on. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 16:07:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 16:46:32 GMT
Since you mentioned you were in the military, something like this might better suit you. www.rmjtactical.com Although it is a bit expensive and not a sword. I don't have any experience with them nor do I know anyone who does. I haven't seen or read anything bad about them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 17:25:30 GMT
After another review of the thread, I have to go with general consensus and say get the gladius that Tom K suggested. It'd better suit your purposes than any of the others you were looking at.
-MidoriKurogami of Sword N Armory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 17:32:08 GMT
Karambit's a nasty piece of hardware.
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 6, 2009 17:48:40 GMT
Kerambits are brutal and hideous things. Wait, no, that's the wounds they leave...the knives themselves are wonderful. A kukri is another fine choice, if general utility is more of a concern than stabbing some guy in the face (what, I'd aim for the face...) in combat, though in close-quarters or melee combat, the gladius would probably have more options than a kukri. The double-edged, straight blade can just do more, easier, than the kukri's recurved single-edge...but the kukri's recurved single-edge is a nasty thing on its own, too. You may also look into the "pigsticker" or "[state/region] toothpick" type daggers. They're like small gladii; easier to carry in a pack, just as nasty in action. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 20:17:48 GMT
Maybe its just my ignorance, but I never would want a Gladius because hand protection = 0. I would rather have a Ko-Kat, or a poignard, or even a main gauche Sometimes you might go up against another blade, and your hand would be very vulnerable  |
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 6, 2009 20:34:42 GMT
I don's see much difference in the hand guard on a kat as opposed to a gladius, protectionwise I mean.
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