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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 15:05:42 GMT
Hello all sword lovers, I recently joined this forum and this is my first actual post on it. I just got my first carbon steel sword today, one that needs oiling and what not.
I'm wondering about a few things seeing as I'm new to everything in this matter, and im one paranoid person.
The sword I have has some strange smudge looking marks on it's blade in various places, they look like something have been dripping on the blade. Hard to describe really, sorta like how ice would look on a window visually.
Either way they don't seem to be removable in any easy manner that I tried yet, so are they maybe some kind of beauty mark kind of thing formed during the creation of the blade?
Are theese things common to see on blades and nothing to worry about or are they some pre stage to problems?
And they where already on my blade when I got it today so it's definetly not something I put there myself.
Thanks in advance for any answers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 15:10:37 GMT
Welcome to the forum Jon. Since your issues seem to be cosmetic in origin, pictures would go a long way in helping us determine what the cause might be. It could be that you're describing a hamon pattern, which you'd find in any Japanese-style blade that's been folded; however, you could be talking about acid corrosion from say, fruits or vegetables if that's what this sword was used to cut iwth.
Like I said, we'd need pics to give you a more definitive answer; pics are your friend! Again, welcome- see you around.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 15:38:23 GMT
Thank you for the welcome and the quick response Don't mind the stuff on the left edge of the image, that's just the blade reflecting the flowers standing on the window that I had to angle around to get enough light for a picture. The blade is actually black so it's difficult to get a good view from just snapping a picture when it's dark in this room too lol www.trueswords.com/bushido-musashi-koga-black-ninja-sword-full-tang-p-2804.htmlIt's this one, maybe the way they make the blade black has something to do with this?
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Oct 19, 2009 15:59:11 GMT
That looks to me like some oil dried on the blade, with a bit of surface rust around it. You'd need a polishing paste like Metal Glo to remove it, but this would take off the blackened finish as well. I may be wrong, though, so don't take what I say as 100% fact. ;D Hopefully, one of the more experienced members will have a chance to comment... 'cause I'm really just making a logical guess. HTH, Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 16:20:02 GMT
Ah well that doesn't sound very good. So it's basically surface rust? Assuming you are right and it is, how bad is it to leave such things untended? Will it eat in deeper or will it just stay this way? Thanks for the reply
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 16:24:04 GMT
Jon, if it is indeed rust (and it could be oxidation underneath the black finish) you'll need to get rid of it before it spreads. I'd go with a fine grit sandpaper, like you're laying the ground work for a sword polishing; just oiling the blade's not going to do it, I don't think.
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Post by YlliwCir on Oct 19, 2009 16:24:27 GMT
Looks like something dryed on the blade. I'd try some Nevr-Dull on it.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Oct 19, 2009 16:27:56 GMT
It's not good to leave rust untreated, but try this first... Wipe the blade off thouroughly with rubbing alcohol. This should remove any oil left on, which may be the only thing there. If that doesn't work, try rubbing it with some WD-40. If niether of those get results, you'll need to use the Metal Glo, methinks. But that's really not bad unless you LOVE the black finish. Personally, I'd reccomend removing the finish anyway, as it will scratch off quite easily during cutting. Besides, everyone loves a nice, shiny blade! ;D No prob, and please let us know how it turns out! ;D P.S. After looking at the picture again, it really does just look like dried-on oil. The first two options should remove that. -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 16:42:46 GMT
Several options that sound like they might work, thank you's all around here.
I hope it's only dried oil or similar since the black finish is pretty nice, but I won't let it rust away if it turns out to be rust.
Nevr-dull looks like some kind of car polish? would any type of car polish work?
I will have to get some supplies come tomorrow to see if I can get this fixed, thanks again for all the replies. It's really helpful for me as a novice.
I will post an update here howewer it goes sometime tomorrow, assuming I can find the supplies needed.
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Post by YlliwCir on Oct 19, 2009 18:19:33 GMT
I use Nevr-dull more as a cleaner than a polish, not the same as turtle wax or something of that nature. I follow up with a silicone spray to protect the blade.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 18:25:49 GMT
I need some Nevr-Dull...all I normally do is 'dust' them off, wipe'm clean and apply Flitz. Hard to tell if its any good, though.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Oct 19, 2009 19:00:47 GMT
Jon, there's one more option as to what this could be: inconsistencies in the application of the black coating. if that is the case it will appear to be on the very surface and you might even be able to feel it (if you are very sensative). there would be no correcting a coating defect without sanding off the coating, which I would reccomend anyway because I don't like coated blades, but I'm not you. I do think it is very likely to be dried oil in which case the WD-40 or rubbing alcohol should work. you could also wash the blade with a little warm water and hand dish detergent. just make sure you dry it well and don't get any water up in the handle. with that coating on there I think your sword should need minimal maintenance. maybe not even oil. at least until you start scratching it off by cutting. considering the coating I think what I would reccomend is leave it alone for a few days and watch it. if it grows you've got rust, if not you have something else. rust is bad and you should either return the sword having done nothing to it, or get some sand paper and polish that blade to bright metal and then oil it. good luck
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 17:00:45 GMT
Well not much to report yet, had to give up on rubbing alcohol since it turns out that stuff requires a license to purchase in my country. I have another thing that might work as well that I will check for tomorrow.
And thanks for the advice Tom, If my next plan won't work I'll see if just leaving it will cause any growth or if it's something else
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 11:05:46 GMT
Hmm well, I got 5-56 reccomended by a company and tried that but it didn't seem to have any noticable effect on the potential dried oil. I also tried a bit of dish washing.... detergent? is that the word? No noticable effect either so I made sure the blade was dry and reoiled it.
I can't really tell if this stuff has been spreading, it's pretty difficult to even see without looking really closely and/or shifting the blade so the light catches it differently.
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Post by sparky on Oct 25, 2009 13:16:11 GMT
Well not much to report yet, had to give up on rubbing alcohol since it turns out that stuff requires a license to purchase in my country. What?!? What are you supposed to drink then? Seriously what would be their reason for that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 15:34:20 GMT
Where Are you, Jokenden?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 10:36:53 GMT
his name sounds swedish
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 15:09:18 GMT
Ye I live in sweden, and don't ask me why they made it license based. x,x
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 8:13:17 GMT
can i ask you.....do you know a jonken that works at a bakery? lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 9:54:52 GMT
Are you sure that rubbing alcohol is licensed, it is isoprophyl alcohol. What is usually licensed is ethyl alcohol in most countries (you can drink that) it is produced for the pharmaceutical and scientific market. Raven
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