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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 23:10:11 GMT
Which would/do you prefer and why? (if other what would recomend instead)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 23:15:56 GMT
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Oct 1, 2009 3:16:58 GMT
these are very different swords with very different purposes. the knightly is a type XII with good weight and balance by all reports and is noticeably longer.
the 1557 is a type XVIII and is lighter than the XII and should thrust better. it all depends on what you want.
so what do you want? what is the more ideal handling properties for you? do you want fast cutting power without great thrusting, or do want to lose a little cutting power and gain some speed and thrusting power?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 3:46:09 GMT
Having owned both Atrim and Albion swords I'd say as go for the Albion. But again as Tom said it depends on what you'll be using it for. The Albion XII blade is also a much better thruster then you'd think but you still won't have near the point control you'll get from an XVIII. All in all I still like the Albion better. All my opinion of course.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 4:38:45 GMT
my moneys on albion knight, I like peened and historical and its a wicked blade in its own right :/ thats just what id go
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Post by kidcasanova on Oct 1, 2009 5:05:27 GMT
He's not asking about a Knight, he's asking about the Squire Line Knightly. The Knightly is thirty dollars more and dull. I think it would be the better cutter once properly sharpened, but the 1557 is (from what Mike's said and shown in his videos) an impressive cutter in its own right. For the money I'd take the 1557, but if I wanted to try out the Squire Line, I'd get the Knightly. If you just want to check out Albion's stuff first-hand, I'd try the second-hand market. There are a lot of screaming good deals. I got a mint Albion Knight for not too much more than the Squire Line...
Like everyone's said, it really depends on what you want to do with the sword. I think the extra cost and the sharpening would rule out the Knightly personally...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 7:45:21 GMT
1557, no doubt. It's a better performing cutter for the money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 8:16:30 GMT
I'd go with the 1557
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Post by ShooterMike on Oct 4, 2009 13:50:38 GMT
I've had a pair of 1557s for a year or more. I just received a Squire Line Knightly last week. I've had a pair of Albion Knights for several years. All that to say, I am familiar with them. The 1557 is pretty well documented in various places, so I will leave it at: It is pretty short, along the lines of the Henry V sword. It weighs just under 2 lbs and is wicked fast. By far the fastest medieval sword I have ever seen or handled. And it cuts much better than it should. Very well in fact. As for comparing it to an Albion Squire Line Knightly, they are so different as to warrant no comparison. They are totally different swords. I would rate the SL Knightly as: Nicely balanced if you like a lot of blade presence. The edges come quite blunt, for a sharpen-able sword. A bit wider than the standard Windlass edge. There is pronounced "heaviness" and weight in the blade. Not necessarily in a bad way. More in a "powerful" way. It almost handles like a Viking sword, if that makes sense?
The PoB on mine is at 4.5 inches and it was "partially sharpened" by Albion (from the tip about halfway down the blade). I had to measure that several times because it seems further in handling. I would say that it handles almost nothing like a Next Gen Knight. The only real similarities I see with the two is in the profile and basic looks of the two swords. Handling is extremely dissimilar. Not that that's a bad thing. I actually think the Knight has a PoB that is a half inch too short. In fact, I felt so strongly about this that I ground down the pommel on my "user" Knight to move the PoB to 4 inches. It handles much better now for me!
As for thrusting, the SL Knightly is very rigid and should be a surprisingly good thruster, though its weight and long PoB may not make it the easiest sword with respect to point control. Bottom line IMO is, I would never compare these two swords together. They really fill very different niches in use. If you want a short, light cut&thrust sword that seems to really float and performs well, then pick the 1557. If you want a powerful sword that can cut and thrust well, and you are willing to put in significant effort to properly sharpen it, the Knightly would be a good choice.
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