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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 4:57:46 GMT
I've never really cut before and I'm wondering how safe (For myself and blade) it would be to cut 'different' types of things other than water bottles.
I'm thinking fruit, an old keyboard maybe, a water balloon, a book, and other things that might be interesting to cut.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 5:13:08 GMT
Fruit and water balloons should be fine, fun even! Hard/dense stuff like books and keyboards are not such a great idea...
Empty bottles and freestanding pool noodles/bits can be fun too...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 5:19:41 GMT
Even a cheap keyboard hit from the skinny side, or a short book?
EDIT - This will be with my incoming Chen Kaze till I can order the new SBG T10. (Might order the shinto elite too but probably won't cut with it since it's a little more brittle).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 5:49:06 GMT
How are you intending to do the cutting? For objects like these you'll probably have to cut straight down onto a hard surface... and that's bad news for blades. Cutting thick hard plastic like keyboards isn't a great idea unless you're doing destructive testing. Many keyboards have screws in them plus the silicon boards may be nasty. At the least it'll probably wreck the finish.
I mean... you could try cutting books - cold steel do for their 'toughness tests' but as before, cutting into a fixed solid object isn't a great idea - lots of stress on the blade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 5:51:38 GMT
Cut straight down? I was thinking of just putting the book on a stand and of tying the keyboard's cord to something overhead..so both objects would move if the cut sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 6:10:22 GMT
Hmm... well I'm not sure how successful the book cuts will be but suspending an object could be better... though you do stand the risk of twisting the blade from pulling at the cord.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 7:01:27 GMT
Just curious on why you are intent on abusing your sword? I just can't imagine the purpose of cutting something like a keyboard.
Please make sure to post pictures of your chipped and bent blade with a list of the stuff you cut. Maybe someone can learn from your experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 7:03:29 GMT
Well, I wouldn't think cutting it from the thin side would stop the blade, I could be badly wrong. Maybe I'll wait till I have two blades just in case the first one dies horribly.
EDIT - Oog, it's a sword. It's a tool. It's not my soul. If I was actually using it for its real purpose it'd be going through a lot worse..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 11:42:05 GMT
EDIT - Oog, it's a sword. It's a tool. It's not my soul. If I was actually using it for its real purpose it'd be going through a lot worse.. It's a weapon. Don't do stupid and dangerous crap like smashing through a keyboard or a book. If you want to satiate your immature need to break stuff and see what it would look like then just use a baseball bat. With the type of attitude you have concerning this sharp and dangerous object you are eventually going to do something else and cause a near accident, or worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 12:55:07 GMT
You will gain nothing from that unless like as stated you're doing some kind of destructive tests... plus you're not cutting at that point just smashing something with a thin edge. Even from the standpoint of "its a tool" it still has an intended use... would you use a screw driver to drill a hole in a 2X4?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 13:05:34 GMT
Even cutting a keyboard from the thin side will have an unpleasant effect on your blade. Stick with softer targets like the fruit, pool noodles, etc. Just because a keyboard is a cheap one, doesn't mean the plastic is any less hard. Even if you do break it, you're not "cutting" so much as "smashing". If you're desperate for harder targets, find some green bamboo. For suspended targets, stick with softer materials. The force you'll use to cut a hard object like a keyboard is liable to just push it away more than break it.
Just my 2 cents. Please post photos of injuries to serve as a lesson if you choose to ignore the advice these fine folk have to offer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 13:30:25 GMT
EDIT - Oog, it's a sword. It's a tool. It's not my soul. If I was actually using it for its real purpose it'd be going through a lot worse.. It's a weapon. Don't do stupid and dangerous crap like smashing through a keyboard or a book. If you want to satiate your immature need to break stuff and see what it would look like then just use a baseball bat. With the type of attitude you have concerning this sharp and dangerous object you are eventually going to do something else and cause a near accident, or worse. Yeah, wow sorry man. My attitude is totally wrong and I'm sorry for wanting to know how it would go with these objects, I am indeed an immature person who loves to start fires and torture small animals. Now that you have shown me the way past all that I will live a deeper, richer, life. Thanks again and I shall make sure I never chip any blade I have because it would be stupid of me and I must push no limit ever, or try anything, as that would anger the gods, etc. EDIT - Ok, ok the keyboard is out- to ME it just seems like it would cut it, that's why I asked and why would have liked to try it. This condescension from some though does not sit well with me t'all. EDIT- 2x- Holy. Crap.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 15:00:06 GMT
While I can't speak for the rest of the forumites, I am merely worried about your safety. With little cutting experience, hard targets are dangerous. Even for experienced cutters, they are dangerous. You are welcome to test any and all limits you want, and your blade expects a few nicks here and there. But it IS a weapon. If you had a gun, you wouldn't stick it in a bath tub full of water just to see if it worked afterwards. A sword is much more simplistic in terms of moving parts, but it is the only tool created solely for killing another person.
Your sword belongs to you. We can tell you all day that it'd be bad to do something, and if you want to do it you'll do it anyway. However, if you didn't want to hear not to cut something, you should not have asked. While some of the attitudes, I'm sure, have upset you, you must understand that the people here generally know what they're saying and have your best interest at heart.
The reason they cut bottles, beach mats, tatami and bamboo is because these are "safe" targets that aren't as likely to break your sword on a bad cut as others (trees, bushes, 2x4s, seasoned wood, etc). If you're new to cutting, and you said you lacked experience, you want to practice on soft targets and work your way up. Swords are not machetes. They are weapons, not tools. Please don't confuse the two. I believe that's the point dj was trying to make. Could it have been done more tactfully? Probably. However, sometimes you just gotta let it roll off your back. As I said before, if you're interested in harder targets, practice a little and then move your way up to Bamboo. Or even Tatami wrapped around bamboo, as I understand that it's supposed to simulate a human arm with the bone in it.
Good luck, and I hope you have many happy cutting sessions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 15:02:36 GMT
Roger, much thanks, like I said above I have axe'd the keyboard, a thin books is bad as well though?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 15:10:28 GMT
The problem with paper is the acid they use in production, but in this case, you'd almost have to be cutting it on a hard surface, straight down, and that's bad for the sword and possibly for you. Cold Steel does phone books that way. If you want to try something like a book, though, roll a magazine up like a tatami mat. Is it ideal? Maybe not. But there's a plentiful supply in my house, personally, and they'll do in a pinch. Hardback books are a horse of a different color, though. Generally speaking, they don't feel like they'd be much fun to cut, mostly because even if you cut it, the impact on that hard surface would slow the cut tremendously and you would have to exert way too much force to cut it. Not to mention the fact that, if you flub the cut, that sword's either breaking, bending, or coming back to bite you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 15:12:46 GMT
Rolled magazine sounds good. But I'd like to do free standing, aka not chopping down. Obviously practice is called for, but frankly I don't see the point of doing anything if I'm not going to be good at it at some point anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 15:31:21 GMT
Like anything else, it just takes practice. Start with bottles, take some video and post it on the forums if at all possible. We have some amazing cutters here who can watch those videos and make constructive suggestions to you on how to improve your technique. Also, watch Shootermike's videos, which I would link if I remembered where they were. Also, work on footwork. It's as important for cutting as your edge alignment. With poor footwork, even a stupid-sharp sword will perform poorly. And, most importantly, heed the advice of fellow forumites. If the advice makes even a modest amount of sense, obey it. Better to be safe than legless. Happy cutting! And I look forward to seeing your cutting vids.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 16:34:18 GMT
Roger, much thanks, like I said above I have axe'd the keyboard, a thin books is bad as well though? If you want to cut paper, choose a book without a hard cover. Newspaper would be best. Roll it and then soak it in water for several hours. Stepping on it underwater will allow the water to soak in. The soaking prevents blade scratching. If you want unconventional hard targets, try slicing a golf ball.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 18:48:01 GMT
I want to apologize for my snarkiness. I didn't have my wits about me at 2:30 this morning. I still stand by overall statement that using a *weapon* to *break* something is a very stupid and dangerous idea.
I think we all need to ask ourselves why we do test cutting in the first place. Is it to get better at technique or edge alignment? Is it to test the sharpness and durability of the weapon itself? Is it to just get a rush and feel that manly surge of testosterone coursing through our body while gripping a deadly weapon?
Smashing through a plastic keyboard seems to fall somewhere near the bottom of the spectrum in my opinion.
Trust me, I don't care about chipping a blade. You should see the edges of my practice longsword. The question remains: WHY would you want to hack at a piece of computer hardware with a sharp sword? I was making my own assuptions about your motive, which was not fair. But I still don't understand the purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2009 19:56:41 GMT
Everyone here has opinions, and in the format that we express them, it is easy to be misunderstood, especially when sarcasm enters the exchange. While some of the most common posters often come off as arrogant pricks, in my opinion only, we all try to glean the information that is offered.
I am sure many people take exception to things I have posted and I certainly have taken exception to that posted by others. It is something that you have to learn to ignore unless it becomes personally abusive and a pattern.
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