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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 13, 2009 23:36:13 GMT
Shooter Mike suggested that it would be very interesting to see my recent brick chop in slow motion. I agree and am posting video here, but first I'm gonna talk about the distal taper of the blade.
pretty cool huh?
Edit: I started a new thread because the last one has wandered off topic so this one can have it's own chance to meander off topic in its own way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 0:22:28 GMT
I imagine that a heavy blow from the thicker part of the blade would be capable of incapacitating a warrior clad in mail. It would probably even split a helm as well. This video give me a good look at the EMSHS. The more I see it, the more I like it.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 14, 2009 0:36:00 GMT
I don't blame you Jonathan, the more I do with it the more I like it. yup, hitting with the strong part of the blade was a good way to club someone sensless. I don't know about splitting helms but I've been hit that way with rattan and I can tell you it packs a wollop.
also having all that mass back near the hilt makes for a very lively sword.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 1:11:20 GMT
The norse sagas tell of spangehelms being crushed and split by swords. I don't believe that their helms were not as thick as helms used for SCA combat because wearing a heavy helm for a long period of time would be impractical. Even if it was impossible, though, you would definately stun your opponent. If I wasn't going to get the Norman I would get the EMSHS.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 14, 2009 1:14:35 GMT
I have no doubt you can be stunned by steel, I have been stunned by rattan. while a rattan sword is often about the right weight the rattan itself dispurses the vibration of the impact very differently than steel. is there anyone here who would be surprised to hear steel hits harder than a reed?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 14, 2009 6:00:09 GMT
just a quick safety note has occured to me.
Flexing a blade makes it likely to spring away or jump or whatever, a blade that is sharp is also not something you want to just grab willy-nilly. I didn't wrap a towel or anything in this video so that you all could see what was going on, but please don't think that is the best of ideas.
sword blades need to be handled carefully, this will get you cut sometimes, and sometimes can be way too often with these things.
please be carefull
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 6:32:51 GMT
Nifty video. Nice explanation, too; I might have to get one of those, eventually.
This is the one you shortened the grip on, right?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 14, 2009 7:30:08 GMT
no I shortened the whole blade and made my own grip from scratch.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Sept 14, 2009 15:38:28 GMT
Hey Tom Cool Vids. I'm curious what "realy really really very thick" is? Do you have a digital caliper with which you can measure the thickness of the forte? Please I'd love to see a series of measurements to illustrate this distal taper. I just noticed the other thread too. I took this screen shot of the second coke bottle at 1:36. It actually flexed more on the coke bottle than on the stand directly: The interesting thing is batting a coke bottle did worse to it than planting it into the stand (apparently). Goes to show you how dangerous a Coke bottle flub can be. People think they are childs play but they can be tough medium if they don't cut.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 14, 2009 17:07:17 GMT
Hey that's a good catch Brendon! very cool. sadly I don't have Calipers. however while I am out to sea perhaps some information will come up to answer this question of yours. stay tuned over the next month. (yes, I'm being deliberately obtuse)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 4:06:16 GMT
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Very interesting Tom. Did the blade hit the top of the cutting stand on the brick smite ? Right after it hit the brick ?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 15, 2009 4:44:16 GMT
yes I think it did. I hit the brick pretty low on the side. I think the brick moved and the sword continued into the stand. I was pretty nervous about hitting that brick even though I had a lot of faith in the sword.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 7:01:15 GMT
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I received my V/A AT303 today in the mail today. I decided to take some measurements for you on it's distal taper. I took six measurements of the blade thickness, starting right at the cross and then every 5 inches out. This would locate the last measurement 1 inch from the tip. Here are those measurements -- They were taken at the maximum of thickness, right at top edge of the fuller.
0.254 " 0.216 " 0.175 " 0.169 " 0.141 " 0.135 " 0.122 "
I thought it might be interesting to compare these measurements to the distal taper measurements of the Hanwei/Tinker EMSHS.
Chris
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Sept 15, 2009 7:21:16 GMT
DrX +1 for that. Very interesting. Kind of drops alot at the start, then steadies out. Still gives a little over 50% distal taper. I would say .254 is a little thick, but quite acceptable. It's definitely gonna be stiff. It's a little thick, especially if you were putting it next to a Windlass. Windlass are too thin. It will be good to see if this can be compared to a H/T EMSHS. I reckon the H/Tinker might even be a similar thickness at the start, but drop down a little more suddenly. I know Tinker does some pretty thin blades toward the tip. Probably thinner than the AT VA. I found it interesting to see the Albion Svante Nilsson Sture sword is 0.47" (1.19cm) at the base. Now that's really thick! It has a hollow grind and a high central ridge. No comparison to these swords just a conversational piece.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 15, 2009 8:05:56 GMT
wow that new generation 303 sounds really nice! I don't think my first gen 303 tapers anywhere near that much.
OK I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag: right before I go out to sea later this week I'll be sending my EMSHS to Shooter Mike. I know he has calipers I'll ask him to measure it. should be interesting to see what his opinion of the sword is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 16:38:30 GMT
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This new 303 exceeded my expectations. I'm going to do a little follow-up and pics on it in my original thread "Your Top 3 Cutter Recommendations" in the General Forum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 4:34:37 GMT
Wow. That was one hell of an article!
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