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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 15:36:15 GMT
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Post by sicheah on Aug 21, 2009 15:54:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 16:05:08 GMT
Like sicheah said, get one custom made. Angel swords are pretty, but I don't think it will be what you are really looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 16:18:53 GMT
They make battle-ready Jian? I thought they were mostly display swords. LOL
I'm kidding...at that price point, you've got quite an array to choose from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 18:49:37 GMT
Why don't you look at Cold Steels Gim sword. I have one and it is apleasure to cut with. Some people think they are heavy but my wife doesn't have any trouble with it. Its pretty and in my opinion it can hold its own.
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Post by sicheah on Aug 21, 2009 19:44:49 GMT
Yeah starstuff is right, cold steel gim is a great entry jian (gim), maybe a little heavy but it is one tough cutting sword you could bring it to battle (if there is one ). Many people who have one are very happy with it (including Paul Southren from his reviews).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2009 2:31:18 GMT
how bout a nice jin shi custom.cant you get one for around 500?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2009 6:20:27 GMT
Don't waste your money with either of those sites you posted.
If you're willing to spend $5000 you can afford a really rare/fancy antique or 2 less fancy antique jian from sevenstarstrading.com
or alternately you can get a swordsmith to make you one. Unfortunately the only swordsmith who was making historically accurate jian blades on commission died recently (Paul Champagne). He only was able to forge one commissioned blade...a horsetooth pattern jian blade prior to his death.
Antiques come and go but in the current US recession they seem to be popping up again...even large Chang Jian (39-40") I was able to buy 2 myself the last few months...after waiting years and no long jian coming to the market.
If you decide to go production then you have to decide what kind of sword do you want.
First let's go through your criteria.
Light: anything 2lbs or lighter is historical.. Some jian were heavier however. most 'lively playing' jian are about 1.75-2lb in weight.
Unbreakable: no such thing. your options are monosteel or sanmai. Monosteel is cheaper and most companies through harden them, but I do have one monosteel differentially hardened blade from Daryl Guertin when he was still offering Chinese swords. Sanmai blades do have the differing HRC from edge and spine. Either is tough enough for most modern cutting. Any blade can chip/crack if edge/edge contact occurs or if cutting hard targets or armor.
Flexible: also what are your expectations? A properly heat treated blade is resilient but is NOT floppy or all that flexible, it's stiff. All my good combat worth antique blades are stiff. I have one late Qing antique jian with a really thin, flexible blade but this blade represents the decline of the jian when guns came, soft steel, thin flexible blade..more a training tool than a real weapon.
Combat Ready: what do you mean by this? To me a combat ready sword has a hardened edge and proper blade geometry to reduce likelihood of damaging the hardened edge if things like armor is struck or if some less than perfect deflections occur and edge damage occurs. Unfortunately most modern replicas have flattened diamond geometry...except for ARms and Armor's jian. The flattened diamond blade cut through bamboo, bottles, mats better than historically accurate clamshell blade, but are less resilient in actual combat, deflections and such in terms of protecting the edge. When the Hanwei cutting jian with clamshell geometry comes out it may be a combat ready blade, depending on thickness, heat treatment etc....
Of course there are still other options. Let's say you obtain a good blade...Arms and Armor for example but you hate the fittings. You then send the sword to Philip Tom and check with Scott Rodell or other dealers (Peter Dekker perhaps) and get some better fittings. Philip can then redo handle, fit the fittings AND construct you a scabbard too, you then get a blade mounted the way YOU like it.
Also if you are willing to spend $5K, Peter Dekker at MAndarin Mansion has a VERY RARE antique 2 handed jian on sale right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2009 6:29:26 GMT
Those Angel Sword 'Chinese swords' are anything but, don't go for that.
Zheng Wu sword can be good, but check out some reviews at grtc.org, a few did have quality control issues.
Now, Huanuo makes swords around 2 lbs..usually a bit under and they compensate the flattened diamond geometry with a little thicker spine on the blade. Their fittings are thick solid brass and built like a tank. They make sanmai blades and offer rayskin covered scabbards. sevenstarstrading.com sells these for around 1K, or a mono version for half that. They handle fairly similarly to a real antique jian. Blades are properly heat treated and tough.
Myself I would get Philip Tom to make a scabbard for the Arms and ARmor jian or perhaps remount it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2009 3:27:43 GMT
Anytime, I would choose high end Huanuo stuff, by S. Rodell or it's European representative, Peter Dekker, never directly. The Zhengwu stuff I saw was not to my liking and not so convincing, but mostly for reasons of personal preferences.
Of course, there are some custom swordmakers here in Taiwan, who have prices up to 10.000 US$, with mostly modern designs and really cool steels, but most of them don't want to copy historical stuff, but create new art of their own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 15:51:33 GMT
I've done a quick browse thru the Chinese swords section of this website but I haven't seen anyone mention the jian from Arms & Armor. It was modeled after an antique and designed for a well-known Tai Chi instructor in Minnesota. Scott Rodell has reviewed it and other than a few small quibbles stated it was an excellent sword. It comes in three standard lengths but further customization is available and I think the price is right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 10:50:04 GMT
That A&A sword is seriously fugly though, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I'd rather go for a Jin Shi custom and if I had 5 grand to spend I would buy more than one sword with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 12:26:42 GMT
I guess the beauty of the sword is a matter of taste. My preference is for an undecorated "Ace of Spades" guard and pommel like A&A's sword. I don't know where you got the "5 grand" figure but for that amount of money you could buy 10 A&A jians.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 16:06:40 GMT
Jeez, I must have been half asleep when I posted these. The A&A jian is mentioned twice in this thread and the $5000 figure came straight from the first post in the thread. Maybe my brain is still addled from five days off and too much turkey....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 17:31:38 GMT
Zheng Wu or Huanuo if you've got that kind of cash. Jin-Shi will be much more resonable but doesn't have the "brand name" status of Huanuo or Zheng Wu, yet. I'm sure if we give Garrett and crew a bit more time, they'll get there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 22:42:02 GMT
Definitely Zheng-Wu If I'm not mistaken, they also do customs
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Post by sicheah on Nov 30, 2009 22:56:51 GMT
Even though I've owned one sword from Jin-Shi, I could vouch for Garrett's Jin-Shi's product. Overall his product is well worth the $300 (and probably more since Chinese swords are darn expensive compare to other swords). Even though his product may have some defects (from some of the reviews here), his excellent customer service will leave you satisfied at the end of the day. Given his experience with antique jian, you could get some good advice from him when getting your customize jian from him.
Yeah there has been mentioned of A&A jian and I've read some positive review from Scott Rodell himself. It's a shame that the sword does not come with a scabbard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 20:55:06 GMT
If you really have $5000 to spend, look no further than Zheng-Wu Knife and Swords Co: www.zheng-wu.comHeeeey, they have some of my old favourites. Good to know they're still being sold, in case I find myself with a ton of money I want to get rid of.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 15:01:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2010 15:26:19 GMT
the question of the best is always complicating to talk , man. but i think , with experiences and your brain , you can get good jian you want . tell me what is you need ? sharp ,strong ,aesthetic looking is enough ?
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