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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 8:54:22 GMT
I like the looks of the Agincourt Sword offered by Hanwei, but on KoA I noticed VA sells one that looks pretty much the same for $12 more. VA's is threaded, Hanwei's is peened. I want to add one of these swords to my list, but which one is superior? Or is that subjective?
And another question, regarding peened or threaded: I've read on here that peened is superior, but I don't see how that can be. From what I can imagine, if a threaded sword became loose, one could simply tighten it back up, and assembling and dismantling would be easy. But if the tang is hammered into the pommel, isn't the sword pretty much stuck like that forever, barring massive work? Perhaps I've got it all backwards here, but, hey, there's only one way to learn these things, right?
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 10, 2009 10:02:01 GMT
Which one is 'better' is subjective... and depends on what the VA sword you have in mind is. If its one of VA's older models, I'd go with the Hanwei... just be prepared to sharpen it. If it's one of the new ones, I'd likely go for the VA. As to peened vs threaded.... Different people have different opinions. Advantages of a peened sword is that it should be pretty tightly held together (if the peen is good) and unless you do some HEAVY cutting should hold up for quite a while. Also, peened swords are more 'historically accurate' for people who care about that. Threaded... if its just a thread on the end of the tang that you spin the pommel on, I'm not much of a fan. If its a recessed nut thread... and its done well... to me its as good as a peen. If the sword becomes a bit lose you can tighten. We don't typically use our swords in battle now... so the argument of 'if you sword becomes lose in battle you'll die' is not a good one with me... although I do appreciate people who prefer peened for aesthetic or historical purposes.
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Post by YlliwCir on Aug 10, 2009 10:52:47 GMT
Fleetingwave, if I understand correctly these are the two swords you're asking about, Hanwei Agincourt and VA Agincourt. I don't care for screw on pommels myself. Yeah, one can tighten them up but if the pommel isn't round, then it ends up off center. You can get them straight again but it's a pain. The VA lists as fairly heavy also so I'd take that one off the list for that reason alone. These both look like older models and they are cheaper for a reason. Both these companies are have made great improvements since.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 16:31:53 GMT
The VA Agincourt is from their old line, heavier, more stout and more than likely, better suited for the sword and board crowd than the backyard cutter. What do you want it for?
By the way, a peened sword should not come lose...if it does, you'll more than likely have to hammer the peen down some, or send it off to get it altered. Of the two, the peened method is the better way to go as far as construction goes, but there's no customization/takedown of the hilts once its done. With a threaded assembly, you could tighten (which even then, isn't something that should happen often, if it does, I'd speak to the manufacturer) and upgrade your hilt components...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 18:49:43 GMT
Neither of those are very good swords from a practical use PoV. That particular VA sword is WAY too heavy and poorly balanced for a sword of that size. Threaded pommels are a BAD thing....not to be confused with a recessed nut. The hanwei edge is crap and the peen isn´t a proper peen...it is basically a welded rod that is smushed to keep the pommel in place. So unless all your really interested in is for the looks primarily, look elsewhere. If looks is your primary concern, then just pick which ever one looks better. I personally think the hanwei looks better (but the VA is probably a smidge safer for use...that peen job on the hanwei is BAD...and so is the edge).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 19:13:08 GMT
Well that's a shame. Are most of Hanwei's medieval swords designed badly? I planned to use this for light cutting mostly and liked the look of the design, but not so much as to get it even if I find out it's not a good model from either manufacturer. I'll just look at other things.
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Post by YlliwCir on Aug 10, 2009 19:31:25 GMT
FW, I too was liked the looks of these types at one time. My tastes have changed since then, just as well I say. I have a VA viking sword from that era and it's a heavy thing with no joy in it's use. Hanwei and VA do make some medievals I like. The price point is above the ones you mentioned. I have theHanwei Edward III (one of the rings on the grip has come a bit loose), Bastard (the grip has come a bit loose on this one) and Hanwei Albrecht Hand-n-a-Half (the pommel is hollow and some find it a bit large). I had to sharpen all three to get them to cut (damn hanwei's euro edges) and they all have small issues as I listed. Still all good swords I'd buy again. As to VA, I have found their newer Practical line to be an exceptional value. I have their Practical Long sword and Arming sword There have been isolated tang failures and at least one issue lacking sharpness, but overall have been good durable swords that come very sharp.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 22:02:45 GMT
Well the newer hanwei tinker swords and the VA atrim designed swords are pretty good...but those cost at least 100 more then you listed. And most of the hanwei swords still need the edge redone. For the 150 range, there are some windlass in that price range, but they come dull so you´ll have to sharpen it...or use a sharpening service. Reliks supposedly has a good sharpening service...the museum replica sharpening service isn´t too bad anymore...it´s serviceable...but that´s about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 22:12:38 GMT
I didn't say it had to be in the $150 range, I just said I liked the Agincourts from both makers and was curious about their quality. As long as it were under $300 (as this whole site is about) it would be pretty okay. I'm getting Cold Steel's Gim as my first real sword, but I want a medieval style somewhere down the line and am seeing what's available that I like.
What is there in a single-handed, medium-length blade model with a relatively short guard curving towards the blade?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 11:58:37 GMT
Valiant Armoury Castille.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2009 15:03:04 GMT
Valiant Armoury Bristol.
If you're looking to adhere to the sub-$300 maxim, then you'll want Castile - Practical version.
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