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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 12:00:44 GMT
It's a bowie made by James Black. He made Jim Bowies own knifes by his specifications, and later sold similar as Bowies knifes. You won't get more original than that. You can get traditional tollekniv from Brusletto and Helle + a lot of makers. It's just a plain norwegian knife. On some you'll find similar blades and grips as on viking knifes, this one for example: Brusletto Renessanse
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 12:55:21 GMT
Hm, I do see a vague resemblance on some of them, shame that everything from Helle and Brusletto is pretty short, I think I'll have to go for a Kabar Bowie this time around. Must say some of those Bruslettos look a lot better than the tollekniv I have from the 60's, think my father nabbed it from a classroom or something, it serving as a pencil sharpener back then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 14:42:27 GMT
I'm not denying that the designs have changed, I'm puzzled as to why they have. Because in many cases newer designs and materials work better. The object of the activity doesn't have to change in order for it to be done better with a different tool. Exactly, same conversation about making swords of modern steels or the old traditional steels ie tamahagne. Modern steels are far superior to tamahagne in function and reliability, and ease to create. Another topic along this line could be said about handle material. Personally I love the rubberized, textured handle on the Cold Steel knives. It's always grippy, soft and secure. Doesn't matter if it's wet, dirty what ever. And after many years of use and being in lots of environments, it's still exactly as it was when I bought it. I would not want a nice looking, but smooth, wood or bone handle. They get way to slippery when wet, and wood just doesn't hold up over time, especially when being abused and exposed to all sorts of environments. That's my 2 cents
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 15:28:27 GMT
It's not really the same. In terms of shape you can make a katana with L-6 rather than tamehagane and some new, synthetic grippy thing instead of silk ito, but you're still using, for example, a shinogi zukuri katana, here we're talking about new blade shapes. I don't see how it can possibly be harder to make a scramaseax/sgian dubh/kard/pugio with a rubber handle and a fancy stainless steel blade than some tactical bowie, it certainly doesn't seem to be a problem with kukri or tanto, but I'm repeating myself...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 16:07:18 GMT
We aren't really talking about new blade shapes, any shape you can think of has probably already been done and many of these new shapes are actually very old shapes that have been rediscovered. I guess it comes down to what the producer can sell easiest, in this case it is the bowie because they are a popular and well known knife, they are also more versatile than any of the blades that you listed. Again the khukuri and the tanto are popular with the buyers and so they produce more of them. I like all sorts of blades and the more interesting the better, I mean there are blade shapes such as the kuku macan that don't get much if any of the spotlight (except by one company that I know of) but are brilliant and versatile. There are many cultural blades that are versatile and amazing but they get ignored in favour of what the producers know will sell, that is why I like to support those companies that offer the more interesting blades, just to show them at least one person appreciates their efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 16:12:18 GMT
It's not really the same. In terms of shape you can make a katana with L-6 rather than tamehagane and some new, synthetic grippy thing instead of silk ito, but you're still using, for example, a shinogi zukuri katana, here we're talking about new blade shapes. I don't see how it can possibly be harder to make a scramaseax/sgian dubh/kard/pugio with a rubber handle and a fancy stainless steel blade than some tactical bowie, it certainly doesn't seem to be a problem with kukri or tanto, but I'm repeating myself... It isn't harder, unless the traditional blade is still forged. Then it requires a great deal more skill and effort. I guess your question or argument isn't very clear. Are you arguing that it is simpler to make simple traditional knives?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 17:37:21 GMT
Hm, I do see a vague resemblance on some of them, shame that everything from Helle and Brusletto is pretty short, I think I'll have to go for a Kabar Bowie this time around. Must say some of those Bruslettos look a lot better than the tollekniv I have from the 60's, think my father nabbed it from a classroom or something, it serving as a pencil sharpener back then. Don't go for a Kabar. The most versatile knife I know of is the Stromeng sami knife. Simply a fabulous utility knife from everything to smearing butter to cutting down small trees. And it's amazingly tough and sharp. Holds an edge exeptionally well and has a very good temper. When I was in the army I even used it to cut barbwire on occasions. I'd choose it every time over an american bowie. The 8" is a good allround knife. You can get it in major outdoor stores.
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 12, 2009 17:46:53 GMT
I've never come across any knives like those, but looking at them now, I'd probably feel comfortable with the three in from the black one. The black one itself I'd leave out, don't like coatings on my working blades; the smaller two are nice, too. I'd add one of them if I had room for a smaller knife. Ultimately, though, I'd just stick with a good, traditional kukri. You've got the big, chopping blade to handle all the big tasks but still with the versatility to do some of the lighter stuff, and that little knife that stays in the sheath, along with the field sharpener thingy (I cannot remember the names for these, but if you know kuks, you should know what I mean...) for the small stuff (skinning, whittling, etc.) plus the whatsit to straighten up the edge if it rolls on you. All there in one neat little package. Choice two would be a bowie, but there are so many types of bowies that the one I'd actually use would be hard to describe or find...but that one, not the Kabar. OR I COULD TAKE MY $60 MUSASHI OUT INTO THE WOODS IT'LL CUT DOWN TREES AND KILL BEARS TOO AND ITS A KATANA SO IT WONT EVER BREAK BECAUSE KATANAS ARE SUPER SWORDS OF EPIC WIN. Or not...but a machete might be a handy thing, failing the kukri and resorting to any other knife...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 18:11:16 GMT
Used kukris, bowies and machetes and light axes, but this baby in 9" blade version replaces them all unless it's for very heavy tasks. The blades are rather thin at 3 mm, but they are extremely tough and sharp enough to shave hair. Never took a set even if I cut frozen 3" trees for tent rods. Can recommend them warmly, but I don't know how available they are over there. Here's mine, I blued the blade while I was in the army. Been serving me for 20 years, but still looks like new exept from wear marks on the sheath.
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 12, 2009 18:18:12 GMT
3mm is a bit thin, but I imagine for most tasks it's sturdy enough. Blued is a nicer look than blackened, at least; and done right, won't get nearly as ugly.
9" is probably as big as I'd take one of those, but I still feel like I'd need something a bit bigger to accompany it...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 18:29:51 GMT
figered i would mention condor tool & knife looks like they have some interesting blade designs that are for outdoors use. but i havent oned one personely. ther web site is www.condortk.com
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 23:48:57 GMT
The Bowie is simply a clip point hunting knife with a blade wider than 1.5" (3.75cm0. Clip points existed as fa back as ancient Rome is not before. Machete and Khukri blade shapes have been found in bronze age weapons, so has the "roach belly" blade shape. Ain't nuthin' new under the sun here folks. The biggest difference is personal preference, and what manufacturers think will sell. Bowies sell well in the US, 'nough said. The main difference between Bowie and Hunter (as I mentioned earlier) is width. All these blade shapes have existed longer than any of our memories, and each has it's own pro's and con's. If a person is looking for an inexpensive knife and they live in the United States what that person is going to find is either a Bowie, a clip-hunter (thinner blade), roach belly, or skinner. The broken back sax isn't available at most hardware stores but Bowies are - tantos only in more recent times. So why the heck are we arguing? Dude just needed a practical sheath knife - end result there's a ton of options, what he finally decides on is up to him, and the result of his preference. +1 to him for asking a question so he didn't just pick the infamous "texas (or insert states' name here) toothpick" from Bud k, or (shudder) an M-Tech that will break in five minutes. So WTF? All these blades are good and each has their purpose - that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 20:39:21 GMT
Once more I thank you all for providing this veritable encyclopedia of knife choosing tips. I don't know what I'll end up getting but I have a lot to choose from! I'm thinking a kukri, possibly from KHHI, but that's subject to availability/cost/sales I find elsewhere. I'll need to read through all the suggestions once more. I may not go camping for a while anyway, but do intend to be prepared next time.
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 19, 2009 20:43:45 GMT
The right kukri will serve you well. I've been browsing at the Khukuri House lately and found a few small kuks I would have picked up if shipping wouldn't have tripled their cost...'bout 4 or 5" blade, nice looking knives. Of course, what I really want is their "giant ceremonial" model, being 3 feet long and all...for only about $150, last I checked...but also 15kg, if memory serves. The kukri of mysterious origins I currently own is doing fine in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 21:26:07 GMT
figered i would mention condor tool & knife looks like they have some interesting blade designs that are for outdoors use. but i havent oned one personely. ther web site is www.condortk.comGood call. Their stuff is great.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 21:29:16 GMT
Once more I thank you all for providing this veritable encyclopedia of knife choosing tips. I don't know what I'll end up getting but I have a lot to choose from! I'm thinking a kukri, possibly from KHHI, but that's subject to availability/cost/sales I find elsewhere. I'll need to read through all the suggestions once more. I may not go camping for a while anyway, but do intend to be prepared next time. Himilayan Imports runs some awesome specials through their forum at Blade Forums.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 23:44:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2009 6:32:52 GMT
Not a big fan of chisel grinds and made out of some nondescript carbon steel. Warranty a little suspect. Also a bit out of the price range being discussed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2009 7:27:02 GMT
The army uses them and the OP welcomed all price range.
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Post by genocideseth on Aug 20, 2009 8:05:06 GMT
I hate their description. Sounds like they were written from an idiot. Someone trying to sound "Badass". Whatever their products are, their descriptions turned me away form them.
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