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Post by hotspur on Aug 6, 2009 21:41:57 GMT
What's the difference between a clip point and a bowie? What is a bowie and why are they pretending to be one? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 21:52:05 GMT
What's the difference between a clip point and a bowie? What is a bowie and why are they pretending to be one? ;D ;D ;D Cheers Hotspur; to be found at the bottom of the can of wormsBowie vs clip point hunter. They are pretty close to the same thing the main difference being blade width, the hunter will have a bit of a narrower blade than the bowie. I prefer that, but that's just my own preference, and Bowies are good knives, I just prefer other styles myself. The other issue being cost. A decent hunter can be picked up a little bit more inexpensively than a decent quality Bowie. I really need to finish reading threads before opening my mouth
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 21:59:13 GMT
Matt, look's like Ed Fowler's stuff is beyond me, but I'll look him up and read what he says - his stuff looks good! In fact, looks like those are all beyond me, though I don't doubt their worth! Thanks! You've all given me a ton of options. Maybe I'll just see what's available to me now. But do carry on.
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Post by hotspur on Aug 6, 2009 22:14:12 GMT
I dunno, a lot of folk have refered just about any blade shape as a bowie, simply based on big knives. Then discussions whether an Arkansas toothpick is a dagger or just a large pointy knife (clip or no. The one that gets folk most excited about is when a knife becomes a sword. Click For A Knife Like Bowie'sWhen knife laws look at bowies and dirks, they are usually dividing the loot between any fixed straight blade and those with a clip. Drop points end above the center line, Sheepsfoot below. Spear and leaf can both be described as a point inline with the centerline. Then there can be rationale why none of those suit another's understanding. I usually just like to agree that a dagger has two edges and a symetrical shape, with knives handling the rest but not to forget how many spellings of khukuri thre are Fortunately, a good many of the military types have numbers and letters folk can relate to. Does that make an M3 a dagger? Leaf or spear point? lol Cheers Hotspur; then there are endless ethnic terminologies to consider
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 23:15:29 GMT
I like the look of that Kabar, Random. Seems to be affordable as well, if I can find one around here, but I'm also looking at the intriguing kukri's. Wish I could be more specific about the use. On one hand I'd like a knife for more passive activities like whittling or cooking, but also have it available in unforeseen emergencies along the trail, whether that be self defense (rabid squirrels, lol?), or survival. Simply stated, I'd like something more solid than the Swiss Army knife I have now. Those are great, but what I want is just a knife, that I can pull out in a hurry without hassle. Its ok. You can carry more than one knife. In fact, sometimes it is best to pair them up. A basic kabar will serve you well for most chores. It isn't the best slicer and it can't chop worth a damn. You can baton with it, but its risky with the stick tang. The 1095 will take and hold a good edge, but it is prone to corrosion. For your generalized purposes, I would recommend a larger camp knife, like a Ranger RD7, a Rat7, or (more along your price range) a Kabar heavy bowie. Pair this up with a carbon steel Mora like the Viking and you have your bases pretty much covered.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 23:32:50 GMT
Cool! What's special about the Mora? They're quite cheap, which is nice... unfortunately the Ranger and Rat are way too costly for me. Also wondering what you mean by "baton"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 23:39:14 GMT
Moras are special in that they are one of the rare examples of value and quality far exceeding cost. Moras take some of the keenest edges I have seen large scale production knives take, they hold them well, the knives hold up very well over time, and they are quite strong blades of such small stock. All for less than $15 in most cases, with sheath.
The Kabar heavy bowie has gotten good reviews from some of my friends. I don't have one, but it should be more within your price range. I will think about this some more and see if I can come up with some more larger camp knives that you can afford.
Batoning refers to a method used to split larger pieces of wood with a knife. The blade of the knife would be placed at the end of a log with the other end of the log on the ground. While the handle of the knife is held in one hand, the other hand uses a small club (baton) to beat the distal end of the knife through the log, splitting it. Sounds a bit awkward, but it works extremely well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 23:53:42 GMT
That thing is not a kukri. That aside...perhaps a tad big for what he wants? Well, machete shaped vaguely like a Kukri. Still a mean tool. 5 inches more than a fullsized KABAR shouldn't be too large when you think about it. It's for backpacking and camping.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Aug 6, 2009 23:59:59 GMT
What about a Cold Steel Bushman, guys? That's a GREAT knife for less than $30 if you know where to look. Avery can attest to how good it is, in fact. Tough as heck, capable of getting and holding a pretty sweet edge, and heavy enough to shop with, yet light and balanced enough to do finesse type jobs with. Sounds like the perfect knife for you, to me at least. I prefer the standard version's looks, but you may want to get the Bowie as it's a better chopper. Either way, I think you'd be pleased. -Slayer
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 7, 2009 0:09:39 GMT
Is the bushman the one made of one piece of steel, with the hollow handle that's basically just the rest of the slab of metal rolled into a tubular shape? That might be a decent knife...but I'd rather something a little more...well, something a little more. More comfortable, mainly; more ergonomic...less powder coated. When one is already talking 7-9 inches, adding 5 more IS a lot, for a knife. Besides, it's not even vaguely kukri-shaped; it's more a kopis or falcata-esque design. Sure, probably good for clearing tough brush, but not much else. www.coldsteel.com/hunting-knives.htmlIf some of these weren't so drastically overpriced, I'd almost like them. Some of the more appealing ones are quite affordable (under $20, a few of them) but the ones that would actually balance out for overall use...yeah, over $300. Still, those Finns might be good dailies for only $20... I like where they're going with that Boar Hunter...but not for $100, I don't. Silly Cold Steel.
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Post by genocideseth on Aug 7, 2009 0:12:21 GMT
Agreed with Random. 100%. I myself in the market for a knife.
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 7, 2009 0:18:01 GMT
I made a quick edit, so you might want to run back and make sure you still agree 100%.
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Post by hotspur on Aug 7, 2009 0:19:10 GMT
What are the pluses and minuses in your opinion? Have you ever wrapped that metal handle? Have you ever carried stuff in there and used a cork or other stopper? Do you own one and use it?
Prices have sure gone up, they used to be less than twenty bucks. Maybe the biggest plus is that one won't feel bad when replacing it with something a little more useful overall.
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Post by hotspur on Aug 7, 2009 0:21:57 GMT
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Post by sparky on Aug 7, 2009 0:28:32 GMT
www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?event=product.detail&productID=3691In my opinion one of the best knives ever!!! I had one for 20 plus years, and USED IT! From camping, hunting, fishing, and work. I am an electrician, so when I use it at work I have stripped wire, cut boxes, cut rope, cut into metal top track of walls, and much much more. It holds an edge well and is easy to carry on your belt. As far as camping and all, I was in The Boy Scout of America and camped at least once a month. then I grew up and got out even more. Really I USED this knife. I guess I made my point huh??? Now for full disclosure, I recently purchased a new one because because something got into the locking mechanism and this prevented the blade from being locked open. That ain't safe and I didn't feel like trying to fix it. So with all of that said, I don't think you can go wrong if you purchased one of these. On side note I carried it into the Federal Marshals Bldg. in Crystal City for work just today ;D. I've learned how to get past those stink-in metal detectors Rob
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 7, 2009 0:29:14 GMT
Wow, that's a great link, Hotspur; thanks for sharing. This thing happened to catch my eye, the ingenuity of some people, I swear: www.worldknives.com/products/maruyoshi-horihori-special-gardening-knife-tm800-2223.html?PHPSESSID=10dacd1d6368be0a4fe35d6c0aae5568So many tools in one package...incredible. I almost want one just to show it off. Shame I don't have a garden...maybe it's time to start one. I wonder if this one is as good as it looks: www.worldknives.com/products/large-stag-damascus-bowie-knife-dm1006-1882.htmlI have never found myself so fascinated and intrigued by a knife design as I am with this one: www.worldknives.com/products/chambriard-special-d-estaing-folding-stag-hunter-4777-1401.htmlShame it's so much, or I'd grab one right now. Oh, in case a frame of reference might be convenient for my perspective, this is a picture of some of my favorite daily-carriers: and a few of my bigger blades; the kukri and the two on either side of it I would not hesitate to take camping or hiking: (Yes, the Kabar 1232 and CRKT Sting appear in both photos; this was a composite shot for an earlier thread on the difference between a knife/dagger/sword and they were added to give perspective for the "knife" realm; to me, everything but the two swords [duh] and the three in from the left are knives; then there's my entries for "dagger," "dirk," and "s(e)ax" which I categorize separately; sometimes kuks get their on category with me but I tend to think of them as knives more often than not...)
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Post by hotspur on Aug 7, 2009 1:05:26 GMT
I keep building shopping carts of wish lists at World Knives and then consider how many are in the chest, one way or another. On my list there are the fancy slim stylet folders and at least one each of the bare blades in the bargain page. All I would need to do is stop procrastinating to offer a favored niece a kitchen set she really needs. In case folk don't or haven't checked out the links from earlier this week, two I frequent. www.treemanknives.com Some may see some sticker shock there on some items but the De LEons are just fantastic knives for the money. Then there is A.G.Russell's www.cuttingedge.com (not Davy Stokes, whip and blade forum). You never now what might turn up there at more than fair price but a lot are pretty competetive srteet prices. Cheers Hotspur; I have trimmed my knive links down over the years but I should probably mention more of them from time to time
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 7, 2009 1:27:01 GMT
That reminds me, I got an email newsletter from A.G. Russell informing me that their Cutting Edge catalog was printing the first edition in two years. I haven't gotten a catalog from them in a while, but used to get them all the time. I wonder if I'm still on the mailing list... I've found quite a number of drollworthy knives on their website in recent years, and as many in those catalogs. Your other link seems to be for an arborist...I see no knives there...perhaps a case of misbehaving clipboard?Aha, so that was it. www.treemanknives.com/tek9.asp?pg=products&grp=31THESE are some very nice looking knives. The subhilts, that is; the other I'm not so big on. I'd like to try a subhilt sometime (Cold Steel's OSS has tempted me for years, but I have a sort of boycott on Cold Steel so.......) and those are some fine pieces, prices are a bit out of reach but no doubt they are well worth it. I'll be remembering this URL.
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Post by hotspur on Aug 7, 2009 1:42:11 GMT
Fixed the url, that's what I get for thinking I remember. I have a stack of the old Cutting Edge catalogs and where I had picked up a few items, including a lockback from Vince Evans. I made the mistake of thinking I was moving and stopped getting my regular magazines from the main site and the Mens catalog. Two other online galleries and sales of fine knives are www.knifeart.com (where I had found my other Evans) and then there are www.bladegallery.com/ and www.bladeart.com Heck, toss in these guys too but I've nevr bought from them (good set of links from them though) cutlerscove.com/Cheers Hotspur; I have ceased buying short stuff, for the most part
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 7, 2009 1:46:32 GMT
I'm always looking for a new daily fixed blade. The 1232 is a great little knife, don't get me wrong, but it's just...little. My Kanetsune Akatsuki was a great carrier till I bungled up the edge, retiring it and bringing back the 1232, then I bought a knife off ol' slavia631 (one he forged himself) and carried it for a bit, but felt perhaps it would be better served on a shelf at home, where I wouldn't be able to hurt it. Now it's all dull and rusting. That's what I get for thinking, eh? Should clean it up sometime and bring it back...
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