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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 5:36:27 GMT
I post this for Garrett. I appreciate the sale.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 5:49:48 GMT
Now's that is a first! I can see the handling characteristics of this one just by looking at the blade, it is smaller than I thought it would be though. Flirting with danger cutting on the back of the truck mate
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 7:32:04 GMT
no worries, only if i use bad form, though. my students have to use block stand. this is also demonstration of peace thru superior fire power. we patrol the neighborhood w/ swords w/ p.d. and neighbor's knowledge. the neighbor's wanted to see this sword in action. we have had alot less intruders in our area nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 7:37:14 GMT
I label this picture, "Cold Steel Gim, I don't need you." This branch cut is the same thickness of the radius bone in adult human. (radius is bone in forearm right next to the radial artery...The artey people cut in suicide by cutting wrist.) Even with this, cold steel, or any sword... bad form can still torque the blade. Good form makes good clean cut and blade is undamaged. I hope Garrett is proud of this sword that he sold me, since I am proud to own it.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 23, 2009 13:04:18 GMT
Very nice. This is one of Jin-Shi's standered, unaltered production Jian, such that I would get if I ordered as is right off the web site?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 16:48:29 GMT
Actually Howler, Garrett is far from closing up. He is just going to be selling the made to order swords (customs and special order, as well as large amounts for production swords). Garrett is stopping selling production weapons and concentrating on custom orders only as you can see in that quote from makadona. However, Garrett's prices on customs still tend to fit into the sub-$300 range. Some time ago, I had gotten a quote for some custom work, I am wanting done and the only thing that was going to make run over $300 total (shipping included) was my choice of wood.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 18:04:33 GMT
LPBoyle is correct. I purchace one of Garrett's last 12. However, if tis production model is that good.... I can't wait to see what the custom, differential tempered models do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 19:12:39 GMT
My custom was still going to be the through hardened monosteel (to keep cost down), but I still can't wait to get the $$$ together to get the dang thing ordered.
Swordsage has a custom Han Jian from Jin-Shi reviewed over on his Film Rookie channel, I'll have to see if I can't find the link. I do believe if we can get enough interest we might be able to get Garrett to bring back the production Jians but like any manufacturer or vendor he has to have a market for his product.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 23:33:44 GMT
I've seen swordsages review, good stuff, very thorough and detailed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 2:54:30 GMT
Yeah, I agree 100%. Swordsage has an excellent youtube video review on his Han. Personally, I have been really interested in the Tang Jian. It doesn't have the rounded handle. It is still a straight double edge blade but has a longer handle and can be wielded with two hands, also. I still think when Garrett gets things really moving, that he can bust out on old Paul Chen, when it comes to Chinese swords. He has great products, at way better prices.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 3:26:18 GMT
Very nice. This is one of Jin-Shi's standered, unaltered production Jian, such that I would get if I ordered as is right off the web site? Well, you never know, old Garrett had a few left a few months ago when I purchaced this. send him an email and ask him. Worst that could happen is that he sold them all and you wind up purchacing a custom... still a great deal.
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Post by sicheah on Jul 24, 2009 3:36:33 GMT
No worries, found it on youtube: Still waiting for mine
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 4:59:03 GMT
Please, unless you know exactly what you are doing don't flex test your damn swords. Also if the tip snaps off, don't assume that your blade is fine, there are things below surface level that could have gone wrong that you may never know about until it catastrophically fails. As to swordsage's comment about 1095 being pretty damn durable *sigh* any steel is durable and can take an edge if the smith knows what they are doing, example a 1045 blade made by a master smith verses a 1095 blade made by an apprentice, you can bet the 1045 will be better. Don't make assumptions based on the steel type and don't flex test unless you know what you are doing, whether it springs back true or not, a sword is not designed to flex like that and you have to know you are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 6:55:09 GMT
Please, unless you know exactly what you are doing don't flex test your damn swords. Also if the tip snaps off, don't assume that your blade is fine, there are things below surface level that could have gone wrong that you may never know about until it catastrophically fails. As to swordsage's comment about 1095 being pretty damn durable *sigh* any steel is durable and can take an edge if the smith knows what they are doing, example a 1045 blade made by a master smith verses a 1095 blade made by an apprentice, you can bet the 1045 will be better. Don't make assumptions based on the steel type and don't flex test unless you know what you are doing, whether it springs back true or not, a sword is not designed to flex like that and you have to know you are doing. no kidding!!!!!!!!! Paul warns in his reviews part of this site that these things are psrt of "DESTRUCTIVE TESTING". I don't personally want to destroy a sword to test it... then there is no sword any more. Things like that are best left to the professionals. I mean, they have been trained, and know the safety proceedures, not to mention, someone is near with the phone ready to call an ambulance if something should go wrong. Didn't we learn anything watching that knucklehead on television testing a sword that broke, and almost cut himself. Even a real sword can break. I read a post from a lady swordsman who stated that her sensei instucted her that a bad lineup on a tatami cut can torque even the best of swords and warp it. I agee with you that the sword is more the smith than the metal. Improper tempering can make event the best steel brittle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 7:10:25 GMT
Bad edge alignment when cutting tatami can not only torque a sword it can cause all sorts of mischief, I have seen people new to cutting scoop the tatami and completely lose their grip on the handle. I saw one cut where somehow the tatami caused the sword to rebound, fly out of the person's hands and plunge about 6 inches into a wall, the guy standing 5 feet from where it went in probably crapped himself. Swords are great fun to use but they are one of the most lethal things to use as well, especially when you don't know what you are doing. We have lots of stories from both trained professionals and untrained as well, like the guy who cut into his leg or the guy who shoved his iaito through his arm whilst attempting blind noto without training. I think sometimes people forget that the piece of metal in their hands can be just as dangerous to them as it is to the target. As to destructive testing, it isn't helped by videos from cold steel that show people doing chin ups with unfastened razor sharp steel or bending it to ridiculous extremes just to prove a point. I appreciate sword testing as much as the next man but keep it safe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 7:21:44 GMT
DAMN!!!!!!!!! I should have watched that whole video on youtube of swordsage's. bloodwraith, you are SBG safety officer correct? you made a statement regarding flex=testing, I hadn't watched far enough into it to hear him discuss that. sorry. I went back and just watched it. Did you see the whole vid.... perhaps you can post a safety instruction about not dancing around with a razor sharp sword and performing cutting WITH THE DOGGONE KID IN THE FREAKING YARD!!!!!!!!!! What the heck was that. Swordsage, I thought you was better than that. Even if th child was held by his moyher, he could pull loose and run around while you were spinning your sword. Sorry man but that is totally unsatisfactory. I have seen some of your other vids, and i know that you love your family. PLEASE don't get so excited about your sword that you lose sight of your love for your family. I mean, what if something happened and the handle slipped out of your grip and the sword went fllipping through the air land ing God knows where or God forbid to hurt the child or wife. I get excited about my swords, I mean seriously excited, borderline obsessive, but I try to always keep safety in mind, and even then I had an accident one time. Not judging, just hoping you hear me. I am a fellow enthusiast and one of your fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 7:55:52 GMT
Well in his defence he wasn't dancing lol, he was performing proper chinese martial art techniques, although I can see where to the untrained eye it looked like something not kosher. I'm not sure if I am the safety officer or just a crotchety bloke who has seen too many stupid accidents and hopes to impart wisdom to help others not to have accidents. In all my years of using weapons I have only ever cut myself superficially, although when learning how to use the bo staff for the first time I did hit myself in the crotch and head a great deal but I learnt from those mistakes, namely hitting yourself in those places hurts! As to cutting with a kid in the yard, I found that a dangerous thing especially with how young the kid was. Either don't cut with your kids around (unless they are at an age where you can teach them proper respect for weapons) or at least don't let them wander around when your concentration is else where. He was in control of his flowers and they are apart of chinese martial arts, so I have no issue there, I was rather impressed with the speed and accuracy of his flowers (the part where he looks like he is randomly swinging the sword around). As to flex testing I always get worried when people say such things as "when I was flex testing I jammed the point into the wood good and tight" !!! I'm sorry, what! that should probably be WHAT! The reason I react so badly is because I saw a guy do this with a western sword, the net result was when he flexed he was standing over the blade bearing down on it, the blade ripped through the side of the wood and flicked into his leg, 14 stitches later and he was a little wiser. If you absolutely must flex test do it safely, a padded vice, safety clothes, gloves and a face shield at the very least, better yet, trust the smith who made the blade, and if you don't then don't buy the sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 10:45:32 GMT
I forgot about the flex text when I mentioned his review. Excellent customer service on Garrett's part but Swordsage should have known better. I don't even flex test my machetes and those things are made to flex (to an extent). Gods know I used to abuse the heck out of them with use when I lived in North FL. Anyway, Jin-Shi makes good blades and we need to help Garrett promote his product. Down with Wushu Steel buy a Jin-Shi!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 13:31:52 GMT
I am not untrained... I was being sarcastic. I liked his moves, I just didn't like the fact that there was a child in the yard.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 25, 2009 21:16:45 GMT
A shame about that broken tip... I wouldn't stick the tip of a sword into wood to flex test it... it would not be a bend in the sword you would worry about, but the torque at the tip would be awefull... I'm not surprised it snapped.
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