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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 11:24:03 GMT
btw I must say I like nr 3 very much. Even if it is for my preferences a bit to contemporary and techno influenced I find it very skilful and tastefully executed, good job nr 3! Thanks and I agree, it might be a little bit too techno and contemporary
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 11:35:13 GMT
I see THREE is in the lead,... Honestly (and please don't take offense whoever made it - or voted for it), but it looks like a baseball team logo to me. So does number TWO... When i look at those, i don't "see" swords, i see sports apparel. Lol i dont take offense, it always good to get some 'constructive' feedback. But personally I dont have that 'baseball' feeling but maybe that's because baseball isn't really popular here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 11:56:31 GMT
I like #10 the best but alas since we can't vote on it, I will abstain my vote on second best to be winner as a consolation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 16:10:48 GMT
I am a graphic designer (it is my living) who works for a marketing firm, and did many of those elements you mentioned (I designed #5) with those things in mind. There is a difference to a person who is a graphic designer for a living but likes swords, as compared to a sword-liker who happens to have a copy of Photoshop. A banner is not all about imagery and flashy fonts, but more about simplicity and professionalism while getting the message across. Really, quite honestly, the more simplistic design is usually the better. You don't just want to have a "cool banner", you want to think about the person who's never been to your site, and if they are going to take you seriously or not. Should I laugh or what... yes, it has been noticed a couple of times and places that you say you are a professional designer. Just because you are(?) does´nt make everything you think or say or do more valid than what someone else does. There are a lot of so called professional people who makes a lot of crap and flood peoples mailboxes with their "work" and tell others this is how it should be and look bla bla because I´m a professional. You are not the only one who are professional but everyone perhaps don´t just do ads for the local store and looks in the first place what other with other purposes have done to try to imitate it. You can have your philosophy about it but another person can have completely different intentions with what they create. That is obviously hard to understand and respect. For votings many times the contributions should look the way people are used to. Nothing necessarily wrong with that (except when it becomes the so popular collages of on the net stolen elements without any own "verkshöjd", don´t know what you call it; without altering the stolen to be the new creators own) But it does´nt give you or anyone else the right to talk about others in a condescending manner like you repeatedly do. Because it could be that you simply don´t understand what others do and their intentions with it. I respect what you do (in the way f.ex. that I let you do it without telling you that you can´t probably do anything "better) because that is the way you do it and think it should be done. I suggest you look at it in the same way. This became a voting contest. No one, at least not I, knew that from the start. It was _not my intention to particpate in a voting contest. I´m fully aware of that my contributions in this are not made with intention to win any votings, or be primarily some kind of effective advertisement. It is possible to do things of other reasons and pursposes. Not better not worse necessarily, just another type of banner or whatever. Hey friend, It wasn't my intention to look down on anyone for anything in any way. I'm sorry if you took offense, I really do apologize. I understand I'm new to this forum, and I just happened to join around the time Paul was looking to redesign some stuff, but making fun of me for what I do hardly seems necessary. I had no idea this was going to a vote either, I thought Paul was simply going to choose a design. We all have equal chances in the matter, and quite honestly I'm surprised my design is even in second right now, as I thought this would be more of a "popularity" contest. I'm thankful that it's not. I would think you wouldn't really have much beef with any of this, as your banner has been displayed on the website since the start (I think? - the blue one is the same as the one on the site, right?). Anyways, best of luck to you mate! I meant no harm by my comments, it is only my nature to speak out of experience in a field I have much knowledge about. I would expect the same of you when it comes to everything about swords, and would happily come to you with any questions I have regarding such (and I'll probably have alot in the near future).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 17:17:38 GMT
I would think you wouldn't really have much beef with any of this, as your banner has been displayed on the website since the start (I think? - the blue one is the same as the one on the site, right?). No, its about as new as the others. There have been several of these new contributions "tested" on the smg site, that is just one among them. Anyways, best of luck to you mate! I meant no harm by my comments, it is only my nature to speak out of experience in a field I have much knowledge about. I would expect the same of you when it comes to everything about swords, and would happily come to you with any questions I have regarding such (and I'll probably have alot in the near future). Sorry but I can´t say I have much knowledge about swords. But I´m aware of that I have a lot to learn and am willing to do so;)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 22:56:32 GMT
I am a graphic designer (it is my living) who works for a marketing firm, and did many of those elements you mentioned (I designed #5) with those things in mind. There is a difference to a person who is a graphic designer for a living but likes swords, as compared to a sword-liker who happens to have a copy of Photoshop. A banner is not all about imagery and flashy fonts, but more about simplicity and professionalism while getting the message across. Really, quite honestly, the more simplistic design is usually the better. You don't just want to have a "cool banner", you want to think about the person who's never been to your site, and if they are going to take you seriously or not. Should I laugh or what... yes, it has been noticed a couple of times and places that you say you are a professional designer. Just because you are(?) does´nt make everything you think or say or do more valid than what someone else does. There are a lot of so called professional people who makes a lot of crap and flood peoples mailboxes with their "work" and tell others this is how it should be and look bla bla because I´m a professional. You are not the only one who are professional but everyone perhaps don´t just do ads for the local store and looks in the first place what other with other purposes have done to try to imitate it. You can have your philosophy about it but another person can have completely different intentions with what they create. That is obviously hard to understand and respect. At votings many times the contributions have better look the way people are used to, on f.ex ad. spam of different kind a.s.o. Nothing necessarily wrong with that ( except when it becomes the always so popular collages of on the net stolen elements without any own "verkshöjd", don´t know what you call it; without altering the stolen to be the new creators own which if nothing else could make it illegal for a site to use) but it does´nt give you or anyone else the right to talk about others in a condescending manner like you repeatedly do. Because it could be that you simply don´t understand what others do and their intentions with it. I respect what you do (in the way f.ex. that I let you do it without telling you publicly that you can´t probably do anything "better) because that is the way you do it and think it should be done. I suggest you look at it in the same way. This became a voting contest. No one, at least not I, knew that from the start. It was _not my intention to participate in a voting contest. My contributions are not made with intention to win, or even participate in, any votings. Nor are they primarily some kind of advertisement for anything. It is possible to do things of other reasons and pursposes. Not necessarily better not worse, just another type of banner, with a damned whole lot of work in it by the way. Should i laugh too....? The guy just stated his opinions, and i happen to agree with him in regards to the differences in amateur vs. professional work. That's not meant as a dig, or to take anything away from someone else's creative talent or visions, its just a simple fact... I mean, these guys go to school for this stuff ya know. Just looking through all the banners the first time, anyone with any substantial experience in marketing can tell who may be a career designer, and who may just fiddle around with photoshop or any other number of GD programs. I don't believe he made a direct reference to YOUR banner, Nor, did he mention you by name or number... So why the temper tantrum? I was actually quite critical of your > work <(notice the lack of sarcastic quote marks). But you haven't had anything to say to me? Why are you jumping down this fellows throat just for saying thanks for the compliment and describing his inspiration for the design? You need to take a Chill Pill man... This Tischhaus fella is apologizing to you? He made some generally vague comments, and you straight-up attacked him. And he is apologizing to you? k koumori - YOU owe Tischhaus the apology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 0:15:04 GMT
The guy just stated his opinions, and i happen to agree with him in regards to the differences in amateur vs. professional work. That's not meant as a dig, or to take anything away from someone else's creative talent or visions, its just a simple fact... I mean, these guys go to school for this stuff ya know. I didn't want to join this discussion but with this comment your gonna be stepping on a lot of people toes... There are many amateurs in almost any field that do a better job then a lot of the 'pros'. Being a pro just means your getting paid for it. It doesn't necessary mean you went to school for it. It just means somebody likes you or your work enough to pay you and has discovered you. There are a lot of artists in almost any field that are superb but just didn't get the same exposure/luck/whatever that others did have. Same goes for businesses, some go to school for ages get al the certificates and diplomas you can think of and never make any money. And the guy of the street without education makes millions. What it comes down to is being a pro means nothing. I don't want to bash on Tischhaus (and I quite like his design) or other professionals in any business but I often come across web designers websites and I start to wonder how in hells name they make any money. With designs anybody could make with the font make up thing in word.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 2:35:52 GMT
I like 5 for its clarity and readability but I find the background a little pale. I prefer the background of number 3 as it helps the words jump out although the type face is a little harder to read. Raven
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Post by admin on Jun 22, 2009 4:54:44 GMT
Sorry guys, I actually did not plan it to be a voting contest from the start, but with so many good entries (which I was honestly not expecting), I thought that I might as well get the SBG communities feedback on which design you guys like the most before selecting a permanent one to represent SMG.
It was not my intention to ruffle any feathers, K Koumori has spent a lot of time behind the scenes with me trying out different designs and I really appreciate and like the work he has done. But then with so many other people contributing, it just made it all the more difficult to see the other designs go to waste without seeing what everyone feels abouty them.
Anyway, I will be making a final decision before the end of the month, but in the meantime - apologies again for creating a bit of storm with this and a HUGE thank you to everyone who has spent some of their valuable time offering their work.
- Paul
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 6:32:07 GMT
I didn't want to join this discussion but with this comment your gonna be stepping on a lot of people toes... There are many amateurs in almost any field that do a better job then a lot of the 'pros'. Being a pro just means your getting paid for it. It doesn't necessary mean you went to school for it. It just means somebody likes you or your work enough to pay you and has discovered you. There are a lot of artists in almost any field that are superb but just didn't get the same exposure/luck/whatever that others did have. Same goes for businesses, some go to school for ages get al the certificates and diplomas you can think of and never make any money. And the guy of the street without education makes millions. What it comes down to is being a pro means nothing. I don't want to bash on Tischhaus (and I quite like his design) or other professionals in any business but I often come across web designers websites and I start to wonder how in hells name they make any money. With designs anybody could make with the font make up thing in word. this is a very good post, full of insight. Especially this: but I often come across web designers websites and I start to wonder how in hells name they make any money. With designs anybody could make with the font make up thing in word. 1+ for that. - But big surprise, yes, I f.ex. do have formal education in this field, several. But it´s nothing I would try to influence anyone with, or to point out... "competitors" so to speak, as amateurs in a negative sense in comparison. Because that fact says _nothing about any talent etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 12:17:15 GMT
I've got to say 5 It's simple enough and the right amount of fancy in there too. It's easy to read and gets to the point right away. The look of it with the side bar is very, very nice, crisp an clean. Great job by all but 5 is my favorite.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 13:36:06 GMT
I like the one we can't vote on as well! Same here, #10. Had there been any other submissions WITHOUT katana, I probably would've considered those as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 19:36:54 GMT
I didn't want to join this discussion but with this comment your gonna be stepping on a lot of people toes... There are many amateurs in almost any field that do a better job then a lot of the 'pros'. Being a pro just means your getting paid for it. It doesn't necessary mean you went to school for it. It just means somebody likes you or your work enough to pay you and has discovered you. There are a lot of artists in almost any field that are superb but just didn't get the same exposure/luck/whatever that others did have. Same goes for businesses, some go to school for ages get al the certificates and diplomas you can think of and never make any money. And the guy of the street without education makes millions. What it comes down to is being a pro means nothing. I don't want to bash on Tischhaus (and I quite like his design) or other professionals in any business but I often come across web designers websites and I start to wonder how in hells name they make any money. With designs anybody could make with the font make up thing in word. this is a very good post, full of insight. Especially this: but I often come across web designers websites and I start to wonder how in hells name they make any money. With designs anybody could make with the font make up thing in word. 1+ for that. - But big surprise, yes, I f.ex. do have formal education in this field, several. But it´s nothing I would try to influence anyone with, or to point out... "competitors" so to speak, as amateurs in a negative sense in comparison. Because that fact says _nothing about any talent etc. I think you guys need to layoff the Haterade!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 5:31:41 GMT
Ahh well, I was a little bit fired up when I wrote that, it's just the generalizing of a pro being better then an amateur which I really don't like. Tischhaus did an incredible job though and definitely isn't one of the crappy 'pro' designers I was ranting on about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 6:05:08 GMT
I voted for 3...but only because there was no option of I like the one we have now .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 11:26:14 GMT
Hey, we've got a bunch of neat designs from everybody from pros to regular forumites, to a design that was entered by a bored housewife who was busy with a sick three year old when she made it. So lets all just sit back and let the votes do the talking.
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Jun 23, 2009 11:59:33 GMT
!st choice....................#10 2nd choice..................# 5
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 23, 2009 12:24:15 GMT
Yeah we need number 10 in this...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 12:52:42 GMT
Yea, is there any way to get #10 up there?
I should say, though, that all are very well done so thank you to all of the designers out there...kinda like #5 too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 16:31:56 GMT
I think the one who made #10 said he could change it. And if he isn't around changing the sidebar should be easy to do by someone else. I don't know if somebody already has contacted him, maybe Paul can?
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