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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2009 17:49:21 GMT
Sure there is; once they're outlawed - that's your clue that you can't have them on you. Why do you need to carry so many?
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 11, 2009 17:55:33 GMT
LP, I live in the DC Metro area...I can tell you that knife crime does exist; perhaps not to the same extent as gun crimes but to say they are not common is a bit of a stretch, to me. My wife lived and worked in that area for awhile some years back... and was mugged twice, with a knife.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 11, 2009 18:05:58 GMT
Sure there is; once they're outlawed - that's your clue that you can't have them on you. Why do you need to carry so many? There are many more than just me who could care less. I'll keep 'em on me till they take 'em off me, and I'll wish them the best of luck at it. Each one lends itself better to different uses, though for the most part one is generally easier to get at than the other, but it's not always the same one. ;D
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Post by sparky on Jun 11, 2009 21:35:05 GMT
7 blades on you ? are you some sort of Apache or train for iron chef or something May be you need leatherman tool or swiss army knife to reduce your load ;D A Leatherman I do carry, which counts for two of my blades. That's the one I use to pick doors with, nothing illegal just getting into locked elevator machine rooms. Also got a mini Swiss army knife, I use that more fore the tweezers than a knife. My wife says I got problems !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2009 21:41:25 GMT
LP, I live in the DC Metro area...I can tell you that knife crime does exist; perhaps not to the same extent as gun crimes but to say they are not common is a bit of a stretch, to me. I think the point trying to be made is that gun crimes outnumber knife crimes by far. For one thing, I don't think I've heard of a store being held up with a knife (not sword hehe). But I have to agree, in a country where guns are permitted at least with a permit, why bother restricting a pocket knife? I mean a gun can kill from long range, where as a knife requires you to be much closer. Thus making knives a more personal crime, because most criminals are chickens at heart. I have to ask the same question about fixed blade knives. Of course I live in AZ where it's not only an open care state for firearms, but there are no fixed blade length laws, as long as the knife is in the open. (although they do have definitions of lengths to define a sword vs a knife, I checked LOL)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2009 23:14:25 GMT
LP, I live in the DC Metro area...I can tell you that knife crime does exist; perhaps not to the same extent as gun crimes but to say they are not common is a bit of a stretch, to me. I think the point trying to be made is that gun crimes outnumber knife crimes by far. For one thing, I don't think I've heard of a store being held up with a knife (not sword hehe). But I have to agree, in a country where guns are permitted at least with a permit, why bother restricting a pocket knife? I mean a gun can kill from long range, where as a knife requires you to be much closer. Thus making knives a more personal crime, because most criminals are chickens at heart. I have to ask the same question about fixed blade knives. Of course I live in AZ where it's not only an open care state for firearms, but there are no fixed blade length laws, as long as the knife is in the open. (although they do have definitions of lengths to define a sword vs a knife, I checked LOL) To be honest I have heard of stores getting robbed at knife point, hell I've even heard of a store getting robbed with a screwdriver being used as the weapon. But Gman, you do reinforce my point, in the United States gin crime (gun crime, sorry where has my mind gone ... inventory day at work) does outnumber knife crime. So therefore it makes no sense, to me, to attack knives. Again, to be honest KY has some pretty liberal weapons laws, but metro Louisville is quite a bit more strict. But, a pocket knife is something and many other people I know use every day. As for our seven blade folks, I've hit that upon occasion, but normally two-three blades is my maximum, a box cutter, a general purpose knife, and a leatherman (that normally stays in my backpack). Don't know where this particular ramble is going but I've had a bad day at work and am in need of a stiff drink at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2009 23:32:35 GMT
Anyone know why they're targeting knives? With all of the illicit firepower on the streets, you'd think they'd go after THOSE guys. That's the question I'm asking. With all the firearm problems why is my dang work knife being targeted. There is a National Rifle Association, but no National Knife Association. Everyone thinks of the 2nd amendment only in terms of (fire)arms.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2009 23:37:06 GMT
True
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 12, 2009 23:43:06 GMT
Just got this random email from A.G. Russell: Fun stuffs.
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Post by alvin on Jun 12, 2009 23:44:19 GMT
As per the OP, there does appear to be a group similar to the NRA looking to protect knife rights. www.kniferights.org/ Maybe those professing an interest in protecting "knife rights" should look into it. Here is their Mission Statement. Here are the mission statements of Knife Rights, Inc., the 501(c)(4) membership advocacy organization, and Knife Rights Foundation, Inc., the 501(c)(3) charitable educational foundation: Knife Rights is dedicated to: 1. Providing knife and edged tool owners an effective voice to influence public policy and to oppose efforts to restrict the right to own, use and carry knives and edged tools; 2. Encouraging safe, responsible and lawful use of knives and edged tools through education and outreach, enhancing positive perceptions of knives and edged tools and their owners and users; 3. Encouraging the marketing of knives and edged tools in a responsible manner conducive to the organization's goals; 4. Cooperating with advocacy organizations having complimentary interests and goals; 5. Providing knife and edged tool owners with services that they will find valuable in order to build membership to enable success in our primary objectives. Knife Rights Foundation is dedicated to: 1. Encouraging safe and responsible use of knives and edged tools through education and outreach; 2. Educating knife owners, public officials and the general public about the history of knives and edged tools; 3. Educating knife owners, public officials and the general public about knife and edged tool related laws and regulations
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2009 23:58:28 GMT
Nice discussion..........the overall mood is nice, and while the political overtones should be kept at a bare minimum, so far IMHO there is nothing wrong.....so keep it that way.....I got two CRKT assisted opening knives........LPBoyle give a link to your blog so I can discuss some of the more political aspects of this, which are plenty...........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2009 0:03:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2009 5:38:07 GMT
Not for nothing, "you give them an inch, they'll take a mile" really applies here. Im no gun nut but believe in the right to bear arms and look at what the government is doing with that. It doesnt surprise me at all that they are taking these measures.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 20:17:55 GMT
Mmm...I'm reminded of my grandfather's saying when I saw this.
"When you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have them."
Does anyone -really- think anyone other respectful, law abiding citizens will follow this ban? A knife is very concealable, somewhat fast to deploy, and quiet enough to not be seen unless a person misses their target on the first shot, in the case of an ambush.
Myself? I carry a leatherman wave, which has two blades on it in addition to being a toolbox of bits and gizmos that helps me though my day. I also carry a cold steel triple action, which I use as both a yawara and quick-deploy knife, if such situations ever came up.
When I'm in the woods, I carry a windlass cobra kindjal, or a hanwei banshee for brushwork, and an axe for more serious work. Neither one of these raise that many brows in my neck of the woods.
For me? I can see sometimes legimitate need for a longer blade. I'd say a simple lisence should be enough to carry a knife with a blade longer than say six inches. Anything below that is a tool, not a weapon. (Though, as one poster mentioned, you can rob a store with a -screwdriver-..which makes discussion of tool vs weapon rather moot.)
Basically, if someone wants to protect themselves, or hurt others, they will. I carry a pipe in my car, for instance. Eighteen inches long, one inch in diameter, and the half that I'll be hitting the guy with filled with melted lead. I'd trust it more than I would a six inch knife any day, and it can be made in ten minutes with a torch and a legnth of black steel pipe.
Then again, I also carry a loaded .357 long barrel in the glove box, if I have more warning. First round is rubber, second is snakeshot, and the other three are hollowpoint. Warning, double warning, end the confrontation.
Anyhow, I've rambled on enough here. And, incidentally, if they try to take my knives and swords, they'll have to take them out of my cold, dead fingers.
Peace!
Mike
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 20:32:39 GMT
Like hammar, I'm a believer in having more than one weapon or weapon type within reach; you never know the situation you're about to step into until you're already in it, in most cases. I think all this blather about pocket knives is just smoke to conceal what probably should be a larger issue. Like the ban of automatic weapons!
*runs for shelter*
Heh heh...couldn't help that one.
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Post by sparky on Jun 15, 2009 22:06:39 GMT
I also keep in the van a piece of 500 mcm copper wire and as long as I do not tape a "handle" on it, it is not a weapon, just a tool of opportunity. And really devastating when you hit something, almost like a no bounce hammer!
Although next they will try to outlaw sticks........ that may not be so bad. Maybe then my kids will stop leaving them in my front yard and all over my porch ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 22:24:09 GMT
Unfortunately, knives (as was pointed out by a previous poster) traditionally have not had any type of lobbying group in the US, until very recently with this kniferights.org. Firearms have the NRA which quickly brings the legality of any firearm legislation to question. Now, the issue seems to be whether or not the humble pocket knife is covered under the second amendment of the US constitution or whether or not they can be regulated. Not many people (in the general population as we all happen to be a bunch of blade loving nutjobs ) carry knives for purely self-defense. However, many do carry pocket knives as tools and nothing more. Personally, I wouldn't carry my 9" skinning knife everyday or even my 4" fillet knife, I have no need of it. That 3" roach belly/box cutter however is quite useful to me on a daily basis. Yet that little thing is very difficult to use for skinning game and it will butcher a trout. That would be why I have my two fixed blades. A pocket knife is much more of a general purpose tool and most people treat one as such. As for this being a smokescreen for something else, that could be possible but the customs service generally can't make a move against firearms without a bunch of red flags going up. Firearms also fall under the jurisdiction of a different agency, the infamous ATF. Anyway, I just see this as a needless piece of legal maneuvering that is useless in practical application.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 22:25:46 GMT
" U.S. Citizens are Losing Rights!" welcome the the UK
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2009 12:32:04 GMT
Well folks, time for a quick update. According to kniferights.org www.kniferights.org Customs and Border Protection has not extended the comments period for this action theirs past the June 21 deadline despite requests to do so. What is stated about this on their website: Apparently, the NRA, SAF (Second Amendment Foundation), and CCRKBA (Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms) are also getting involved with this mess. Now the wording of the 2nd Amendment is going to be closely called into question here, so to refresh everyone's memories: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/Now, there can be a lot of different interpretations for this and that's where many legal battles get fought. Now common armaments in the revolutionary time frame would have been, a musket or PA long rifle, a cutlass or saber, bayonet, and some type of knife. While most knives of that era were fixed blades folders did exist back then and were used. Anyway, I will be making this post a blog over at my live journal site ( www.dragondaddy.livejournal.com for anyone who wants to discuss more political aspects of this, so the politics can be kept to a minimum here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2009 13:17:05 GMT
UGH @ politics
I have to 'play the game' here at work because it is a Fed facility, but I genuinely despise it. You guys have fun at LPM's blogspot, I can't do the politics thing. It really sickens me. This whole issue is a farce; do we not have better things for the gov't to be spending their time and OUR money on?
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