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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 0:20:24 GMT
I apologize if this is the incorrect place to post this. If so, moderators please move it to the appropriate area. I realize this is a forum concerning historical weaponry (not a day goes by that I don't visit here), but I'm also pretty sure most of you carry pocket knives for day-to-day use. The following are excerpts from www.kniferights.org article concerning the issue:The U.S. Government is after your Pocket Knives! In a sneak attack, U.S. Customs has proposed revoking earlier rulings that assisted opening knives are not switchblades. The proposal would not only outlaw assisted opening knives, its overly broad new definition of a switchblade would also include all one-handed opening knives and most other pocket knives! It has been a battle of a million little cuts for the most part, with occasionaly court and legislative fights thrown in. Little did we guess that the first major battle at a national level wouldn't come head on, but with government bureaucrats trying to sneak it by everyone, avoiding a more conventional legislative battle, which they know they'd likely lose. U.S. Customs & Border Protection (CBP) just a bit over two weeks ago on May 21st proposed revoking earlier rulings that assisted opening knives are not switchblades. The proposed new rule would not only outlaw assisted opening knives, its new broad definition of a switchblade would also include one-handed opening knives and could be easily interpreted to cover most other pocket knives, even simple old-fashioned slip-joints. At this point, one-hand opening and assisted opening knives are 80% of U.S. knife sales (per AKTI industry sources). For most knife companies, they represent all or the majority of their product lines. These are the knives Americans take with them to work and to play everyday. Remember: Customs has set a 30-day time limit to respond via snail-mail. Email is not allowed.Please see www.kniferights.org for more information. [/url]
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Post by wiwingti on Jun 9, 2009 0:34:57 GMT
in canada that rule is in plan since a couple of years and now we almost not have any rights to wear any knives on us.
depending of the lenght of the blade we sometimes do not have the right to have it on ourselvees.
folded knives or any kind longer than (if i remember) around 3 inches are almost restricted depending of the use.
in canada, if you have a nife on you,, better have a good reason lol.
there have been so many (street battles) that it is one of the most reasons these are restricted.
and kids at schools,, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 11:18:23 GMT
Egads, as someone who does carry a pocket knife everyday this actually does upset me. The modern trend of one hand open knives has actually provided such useful items as the folding box cutter which with it's positive locking mechanisms is actually much safer than it's older counter parts. It makes no sense in a country with legal firearms to restrict something that is as basic a tool as a pocket knife. From opening packages, to cutting loose strings off clothing, to cutting my son's chicken nuggets when he was younger. I use a knife several times through out the day, and I know many other people who do so as well. This is the type of panic reaction legislation that I was talking about in my comments about Choson Ninja's sword making video. In a country where things far more dangerous than pocket knives ie firearms are the most commonly used weapons in the commission of crimes, it makes little practical sense to regulate the lowly pocket knife. (*modification of post now that I have had a chance to drink some coffee and somewhat wake up*) The url to the actual 63 page customs document is here: www.kniferights.org/U%20S%20Customs%20Proposed%20Ruling%20-%20Assisted%20Opening%20Knives.pdfSince, this could get more than a little bit political SBG may not be the right place to talk about this. I will be placing my own opinion on this matter on my livejournal page ( www.dragondaddy.livejournal.com) for anyone who is interested. Personally, I would like to find out why customs is looking to redefine the definitions of the federal switchblade act as knife crime is not very common in this country compared to firearm violations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 13:29:14 GMT
Knife crime is not very common? I beg to differ.
But I am not sure what the fuss is; I always thought of a switchblade as an assisted-opening style of knife- if they're going to ban it like they do everything else, at least give me a cogent reason.
This ruling have any bearing on fixed-blade knives?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 13:43:43 GMT
I wouldn't be suprised. Once we allow the government to go down a path like this, where will they stop?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 14:56:49 GMT
Quick note, blog post is up for anyone interested in reading.
Ebon, I'll try looking up some crime statistics today or tomorrow to see how off my comment was, but I know in my immediate locality (Louisville, KY) gun crimes far out number knife crimes. In my understanding no this ruling does not affect fixed blades but just folders particularly anything with a "positive locking mechanism" (normally used for keeping the blade closed in the pocket) which is a modern safety feature being found on some knives.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 15:11:46 GMT
Sounds pretty ridiculous, but it's the US. If in Soviet Russia the TV watches you, then in the US the politicians control the people, not the other way around. I've seen some mighty strange laws.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 15:21:58 GMT
LP, I live in the DC Metro area...I can tell you that knife crime does exist; perhaps not to the same extent as gun crimes but to say they are not common is a bit of a stretch, to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 15:44:47 GMT
LP, I live in the DC Metro area...I can tell you that knife crime does exist; perhaps not to the same extent as gun crimes but to say they are not common is a bit of a stretch, to me. Ok, I do need to revise what I said earlier. I am not denying knife crime does not exist. And from what you have said apparently it is common than what my own experience has shown me. I still say that overall gun crimes are more common. However, a blanket regulation that is snuck in the back door without the chance for proper review is not the way to go about things. That the regulation can be applied to any knife that can be opened with one hand or modified to be opened with one hand is much to broad of a regulation. But as I said, I would like to move the more political aspects of this conversation away from SBG over to my livejournal page to keep with SBG rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 18:29:24 GMT
Anyone know why they're targeting knives? With all of the illicit firepower on the streets, you'd think they'd go after THOSE guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 18:59:18 GMT
Anyone know why they're targeting knives? With all of the illicit firepower on the streets, you'd think they'd go after THOSE guys. That's the question I'm asking. With all the firearm problems why is my dang work knife being targeted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 19:07:35 GMT
Here in S. Florida, knife crimes are so prevalent. That's why I carry my .357.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jun 9, 2009 20:06:20 GMT
Haven't you heard? 'Never bring a gun to a knife fight' you'll just get killed! Wait a second, did I mess up the punctuation in that sentence or something? It seems a little bit wrong... -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2009 1:18:26 GMT
For the life of me, I will NEVER understand this foolishness. Governments are kidding themselves by passing legislation that attempts to restrict weaponry (of any sort, be it firearms or blades).
You must change the people. Poverty and ignorance are the causes of street violence, not guns and knives. Society must change, and that change will not emerge by disarming the law abiding populace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2009 8:20:41 GMT
Tried looking up some stats on knife crimes vs gun crime but the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the US only records firearm crime rates and not rates for other weapons. My experience has been, in most areas I have lived (KY, North Florida, PA, KS and a few other areas) there are more firearm violent crimes in the crime reports in the newspaper than knife crimes. However, nonfatal firearm crimes have been on the decline since 1994 with a slight rise beginning in 2005. ( www.ojp.gov/bjs/gvc.htm#guns ) Which may be the reason for changing the knife regulations here. I don't know as this is also being done via the Customs and Border Protection Service under the auspices of the Dept of Homeland Security and not going through congress like any normal piece of federal legislation. Anyway, this is a pic of the "Assisted open" knife I currently carry everyday, and y'all tell me if this is a "switchblade":
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2009 13:02:37 GMT
So which blade did you use for the chicken nuggets? Nah, definitely not a switchblade but then again, a switchblade is but one type of an assisted-open style of knife. Looks like you use a thumb stub to deploy...maybe it shouldn't be so flashy! J/K
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Post by sparky on Jun 10, 2009 22:03:35 GMT
Shoot on any given day I have 7 blades on me. Makes it a pain to get through metal detectors I use mine for work, picking doors, cutting chicken nuggets, sharpening pencils, and on and on.......... Different blades for different things. Man (and ladies) I've carried knives for so long I'd feel naked without one. When I get sent to jail will you all send me junk food???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2009 22:26:25 GMT
So which blade did you use for the chicken nuggets? Nah, definitely not a switchblade but then again, a switchblade is but one type of an assisted-open style of knife. Looks like you use a thumb stub to deploy...maybe it shouldn't be so flashy! J/K The roach belly side for the nuggets, the utility knife side for work. Though some of the pins a coming out and I had to stop using the utility blade side about two weeks ago. As for flashy, the knife was free so I can't complain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2009 16:20:18 GMT
Shoot on any given day I have 7 blades on me. Makes it a pain to get through metal detectors I use mine for work, picking doors, cutting chicken nuggets, sharpening pencils, and on and on.......... Different blades for different things. Man (and ladies) I've carried knives for so long I'd feel naked without one. When I get sent to jail will you all send me junk food??? 7 blades on you ? are you some sort of Apache or train for iron chef or something May be you need leatherman tool or swiss army knife to reduce your load I don't know why U.S. custom wants to expand this definition of the switch blade ,thier personals already swamp with all kind of illegal items search that adding this nonsense rule will create problem for thier field agents. I spend 2 hours in the search at SFA after my first oversea tour of duty because I brought with me a Winchester M94 30-30 rifle and for some strange reason this dangerous assault rifle had never been seen in San Francisco since the gold rush so the custom agents really panic and making a lot of phone call to their superior. I hate to be found with tactical super fast one hand opening knife now at this very same airport
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 11, 2009 17:32:54 GMT
Seven? Let's see... Gerber Obsidian Gerber Artefact Gerber Clutch SOG Paratool Victorinox Cadet [random nameless folder] Kabar 1232 Yep, seven blades on me, too. As well as a few screwdrivers, bottle openers, pliers, et cetera. The Artefact and Clutch are mini-multi-tools I carry to work (the Artefact being my box cutter as well as a mini pry bar and Phillips screwdriver, the Clutch providing pliers, wire cutters, a bigger blade, and a few more standard screwdrivers) and keep on my keychain at all times, the Kabar 1232 is my daily-carry fixed-blade, the Obsidian is my primary folder for daily cary, the [nameless folder] being a back-up, and the Cadet filling in where the others don't. The SOG is all of these things in a less-convenient package than the others, as well as a bigger set of pliers and wire cutters. The most common use any of these knives see is cutting food at restaurants when the provided knives fail to do so satisfactorily, peeling fruits (I'm a fan of oranges ), trimming loose threads and removing annoying tags on clothes, opening any boxes or envelopes I encounter that need to be opened, and just being there "just in case." Haven't had to use one to free myself from a stuck seatbelt, but "just in case" I need to, I'm bound to be able to reach one of them. All my folders are thumbstudded...is that a word or did I just invent it?...and have liner-type locks. The Obsidian even has a safety. There is nothing and no-one anywhere that will tell me I can't have these on me anywhere.
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